Women as preacher

[tsth]

1 Timothy 2:12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Dear Jacqueline,

This is in regard to position within the body/church, it does not hinder a woman from sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ, it just defines the order that God implemented from the very beginning with Adam and Eve in the garden.

[Budman]

What does the Bible say about women in ministry?

warm regards

-bud

[Fr Chuck]

The early church had female deacons, we know that churches often meet in the homes of women. We know in the old testement a women was a judge, and so many other roles in the old testement.

Even though the days of the King James Bibile, women though culture were often considered mere property, often not even having the right to inherit property.

Also as in every "single" verse in the bible, we can not take one verse out of context.

Pauls letter for women to stay quiet in church was addressing a specifc problem that church was having with a group of women. If we use that then they should not be sunday school teachers, they should not have any rule but to sit quiet and smile at thier husbands ( hey don't sound to bad to me)

I have spent 30 years dealing with this issue in my heart, I once felt as your church does that they should not be. But I found I was wrong, that scripture also says we are all equal in God's eyes. And I have seen ministries blessed by God that were lead by women.

So all I can say, you have to follow your own heart, ifyou beleive that you local church is in error, you will never change most of the others minds, but you will have to decide if you wish to continue to worship there or not.

[apothanein kerdos]

Deacons, however, served a different purpose than they do today. The problem most people run into when interpreteting these passages...even the Bible...is they do so from a modern paradigm. We must instead look at the historical context of "why" and what purpose each one served. To say "these scriptures are only applicable to yesterday" is to render the Bible useless in all aspects. Christ's sacrifice would no longer be needed for we do not live under the law in the present world...back then they did. So under that culture I cannot accept Christ in the modern world.

When we try to justify a certain passage as refering to just that time, we run into A LOT of problems.

[tsth]

I agree whole-heartedly SuperJew. It does usher in a whole new set of problems, when we try to adjust passages to suit certain time periods, rather than rendering them true and applicable for today.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Work in Progress]

I agree whole-heartedly SuperJew.  It does usher in a whole new set of problems, when we try to adjust passages to suit certain time periods, rather than rendering them true and applicable for today.

In His Love,

Suzanne

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Amen and amen. You said it better than I could.

There is also the entire message of God's order in Jesus, man, woman, seen throughout Scripture and not just "one or two verses" that we try to explain away by saying "oh, that was just for then". JMO.

[soulwinner]

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

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1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

[larryt]

People who preach this usually take a couple verses, out of context and out of historical context and create their own doctrine.  Jesus used many women in his ministry.  Women have been used by God in the church since day 1.

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Speaking of taking a verse out of context

Lu 11:46  And he said, Woe unto you also, [ye] lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

Lu 11:52  Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Paul gives a perfectly good reason for keeping women out of the "teaching/authority" positions.

1Ti 2:14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

By implication women tend to be deceived more easily that men when it comes to spiritual things. And I didn't say men cannot be deceived. Even though the culture is important, the Word is as applicable today as it was when it was written. The Word of God does not change.

LT

[apothanein kerdos]

No where does it state that ALL women cannot preach.  It was directed at just those few that didn't know what they were talking about, uneducated in theology, coming out of the cults.  There are also men that Paul said should be silenced in the next book.  Priscilla had to pull Apollos, a man, aside and teach him the truth whereas he was teaching incorrectly.  ANYONE who preaches wrong should be silent in the church and learn.  How can ANYONE learn if they will not be quiet.  Ever notice how non-christians and some new christians talk in church?  They need to be in a respectful silence for the pastor God has sent to teach them.  You may ask me questions on this point.  There is even more to it.

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Aquilla and Priscilla had to pull him aside...a husband a wife had to

Paul states specifically why he doesn't want a woman in authority over a man in a church setting...he appeals to the fall of man.

[IslandRose]

Up until now this has been a civil discussion. Please lets keep it that way.

I combined the new thread on Women Preachers with this one. Lets just keep it all on one thread, OK?

IR