The Temptation of Jesus in the Wilderness

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I just discovered this thread. I have not read this thread. I do not have time to read this thread. With that understaniding, also me this:

 

I read part of the first page and it seemed as though the focus was on the idea that Jesus was tempted, as in He might have thought: "Gee, some bread would be good right now, and I am hungry, it sure is tempting to turn a few rocks into a few loaves."

 

I think that somewhat changes the meaning of the word temp in context and mostly in Greek, where the concept does not seem so much to be resisting a feeling, it seems to be, that the word "tested" would be a better translation that the word "tempted" is in modern English. If this was already said, I apologize, but see if that thought alters your perseption of the verse and it's implications at all.

 

For references, here is Thayer's Lexicon on the word in question:

 

http://biblehub.com/thayers/3985.htm

Would you not agree that testing/proving comes by way of temptation?

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Would you not agree that testing/proving comes by way of temptation?

 

 

I would say that testing/proving, would typically put one in a position where one is tempted to opt out. If we found ourselves being asked to publicly deny Jesus, or suffer the consequence of suffering or dieing, then the temptation would be there, to deny, rather than to suffer or die, if that is what you mean.

 

It seems to me, that we are to flee temptation, we pray to not be led into temptation, etc etc, for to go to be tempted, seems to be, to be a questionable action. Would I go place where 'ladies of the evening' are present so that I could be tempted? If there is a possibility to submit to a temptation, I am foolish to be there, for I might fail. If it is impossible for me to be tempted, then why would I go there for that purpose? If God cannot be tempted and does not temp anyone, then why is Jesus led to the wilderness by the Spirit?

 

I have no answers, I have no opinion or real point, only noting that the focus of the word in Greek, is directed at a test, more than a feeling or struggle to be faithful.

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"I would say that testing/proving, would typically put one in a position where one is tempted to opt out."

 

You mean opt IN. "Overcoming" is that by which we declare our "opting" out, demonstrated as being a "warfare".

Temptation is that which ALWAYS makes an appeal to our 'lower nature' to reveal faith. When God allows it, it is for the purpose of proving our allegiance to Him; revealing my lack to me.. The strengthening [edifying] of our faith is that which brings our success. The account of Abraham's life bears this out. John 17:3 is the path to such success.

 

 

"If we found ourselves being asked to publicly deny Jesus, or suffer the consequence of suffering or dieing, then the temptation would be there, to deny, rather than to suffer or die, if that is what you mean."

 

I personally believe the church is replete with that quality of "professing" Christians ___ "deny now, repent later". [sins forgiven -- past, present, and future]

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If memory serves correct Jesus was fasting 40 days when he was tempted. I challenge anyone to not eat for awhile and then even talk about some bread. That would be highly tempting. And mouthwatering.

What was His reward for success? [Ponder Mark 13:26]

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The basic meaning of temptation (peirasmos) is simply to test or prove, and has no negative connotation. Whether it becomes a proof of righteousness or an inducement to evil simply depends on our response.

I believe it would depend on who is doing the tempting, i.e., is it God, Self, or Satan? The outcome will reveal who [still] has our allegiance. Even with Jesus was this so since what He possessed of the Father  was, nevertheless in promise form for which He was to be proven. He 'learned obedience by the written word of God'.

"Self" began its work after Holy Spirit lead/drove Jesus into the wilderness and left Him alone to hunger. Jesus won the victory over Self, however, God then allowed Satan to come against Jesus to do his thing. Jesus won the victory against him, as well. In all of this was it allowed of God to be no different than how God handled Abraham: "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of". Genesis 22:1-2 (KJV) There can no question Abraham was approached by Satan in an attempt to create doubt with the words "Hath God said?" - - with Abraham replying, "Yes! God hath said!" __ and it was counted unto him as righteousness!

Promises were made to both men. Abraham, we have the history that revels the fulfillment. Jesus, we have "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory". Mark 13:26 (KJV)

 

Re, The Lords Prayer: "find nothing in me to censure that you should lead me into temptation to be proven, but, deliver me from the evil one".

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There can no question Abraham was approached by Satan in an attempt to create doubt with the words "Hath God said?" - - with Abraham replying, "Yes! God hath said!" __ and it was counted unto him as righteousness!

Where do you find this in Scripture?

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Where do you find this in Scripture?

 

Directly, no where except by knowing how Satan/self operate when God gives a command and leaves that one alone to be proven, the temptation coming from either self or Satan..

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Let's be careful when replying. If what one is posting is a personal belief, not backed with scripture, please indicate this in the post so not to confuse others and cause people to search scripture for claims that the poster knows is not there.

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The basic meaning of temptation (peirasmos) is simply to test or prove, and has no negative connotation. Whether it becomes a proof of righteousness or an inducement to evil simply depends on our response.

I believe it would depend on who is doing the tempting, i.e., is it God, Self, or Satan? The outcome will reveal who [still] has our allegiance. Even with Jesus was this so since what He possessed of the Father  was, nevertheless in promise form for which He was to be proven. He 'learned obedience by the written word of God'.

"Self" began its work after Holy Spirit lead/drove Jesus into the wilderness and left Him alone to hunger. Jesus won the victory over Self, however, God then allowed Satan to come against Jesus to do his thing. Jesus won the victory against him, as well. In all of this was it allowed of God to be no different than how God handled Abraham: "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of". Genesis 22:1-2 (KJV) There can no question Abraham was approached by Satan in an attempt to create doubt with the words "Hath God said?" - - with Abraham replying, "Yes! God hath said!" __ and it was counted unto him as righteousness!

Promises were made to both men. Abraham, we have the history that revels the fulfillment. Jesus, we have "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory". Mark 13:26 (KJV)

 

Re, The Lords Prayer: "find nothing in me to censure that you should lead me into temptation to be proven, but, deliver me from the evil one".

 

 

Its not about obedience...It's about endurence

 

 

 

One point at time, Bro.. It is not about endurance for success or failure but most importantly, success. Success brings the fulfillment.

 

Obedience is to belief God or, go my own way when the problem, purposed by Him is presented me. Remember the 10 spies and the result of their unbelief? "Success in believing" would have allowed the children to enter the "promised land".

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"Self is the participation of the test. God or Satan set the parameters but ultimately controlled by God"

 

Self is our "flesh", that which wants it's own way that must be overcome by the new life of our new birth. The children of Israel were full of it. Read the account again if you have to but, read in that light.

 

God gave a problem after only three days out from the crossing of the Red sea, "bitter waters". That wasn't the devil. God did it to find out what was in their hearts.

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