7thseal Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 Jesus came here to die in our place as the sacrificial lamb so we might know the Father.... Until he paid that sacrifice there was no way for us to know the Father.... that is what grace is..... to give us eternal life with access to being one with the Father through him. Do you believe David, a man after God's own heart, knew God? How'bout Abraham, God's friend? Moses? the Book of John tell us that Jesus was in the form of God before he allowed himself to become flesh....... Moses, Aaron and 72 other people went up on the Mountain and saw the God of Israel..... says so in Exodus.... Jesus says that no man has seen the Father..... If you are to make all scripture hold as truth you must come to the conclusion that the Father was not the God that Moses knew........ it is my personal view that the God that Moses knew was Jesus in the form of God. None of the old testament people knew of the Father, just the personage of our triune God..... Jesus. As Father, I have no argument. I stand corrected. I don't believe I needed the rectification but my thinking was going in the wrong direction. Thank you for reeling me back in. , , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Edited June 14, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thseal Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out. You mention the possibility of failure, but Jesus was given a choice... neither choice would have been a failure but God's love was demostrated by Jesus choice made. Now we have life (if accepted) because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out. You mention the possibility of failure, but Jesus was given a choice... neither choice would have been a failure but God's love was demostrated by Jesus choice made. Now we have life (if accepted) because of it. Sure it would. Why would you believe it wouldn't? "Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out". Not to Him did He believe so. It was a "sink or swim" issue and He knew His Father was trusting Him for His purposes. God still makes choices on that basis today. The alllegiance of Jesus to His Father allowed God to not withold anything from He desired, even calling on the angels. Had He done so, Jesus would never have been savior and there could never again be an effort made by God to redeem man. Jesus knew that. Jesus loved His Father. He laid not only His eternal human life on the line but that of the whole Godhead which stood with Him; His rerward protection. It all hung on His "freewill" decisions. In His trials and temptations He wasn't the Word __ He was man, full of the Holy Spirit (Luke 4:1), left alone without the conscience presence of His Father, only the written word of God to draw from, His insight being impeccable.. No, there would be no choice in this for Him. "For God so loved the world . . . . " Question: Can we say that about ourselves? Edited June 14, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,047 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,795 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 We are told that Jesus existed in the form of God before he set that aside and was incarnated into a man. We are told by Jesus that none of the supernatural things that people were seeing were from him personally, but from the Father..... I think Satan was trying to get him to use his innate powers that might have disqualified him as the lamb. I personally don't think Jesus used any of the powers that were available to him other than what the Father did through him. It takes many many scriptures together to come to that conclusion. just wanted to repeat myself and too lazy to type on the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thseal Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out. You mention the possibility of failure, but Jesus was given a choice... neither choice would have been a failure but God's love was demostrated by Jesus choice made. Now we have life (if accepted) because of it. Sure it would. Why would you believe it wouldn't? "Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out". Not to Him did He believe so. It was a "sink or swim" issue and He knew His Father was trusting Him for His purposes. God still makes choices on that basis today. The alllegiance of Jesus to His Father allowed God to not withold anything from He desired, even calling on the angels. Had He done so, Jesus would never have been savior and there could never again be an effort made by God to redeem man. If Jesus would have chosing to be pulled out...man would still have been saved. Jesus is the Word made flesh the perfect man which God could only accept. Jesus wanted that same love demostrated to Him available to others and so he chose to do so. How can a sinless man take on all sin?.... He had to choose. Not to Him did He believe so. So Jesus didn't believe the Father as that being an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out. You mention the possibility of failure, but Jesus was given a choice... neither choice would have been a failure but God's love was demostrated by Jesus choice made. Now we have life (if accepted) because of it. Sure it would. Why would you believe it wouldn't? "Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out". Not to Him did He believe so. It was a "sink or swim" issue and He knew His Father was trusting Him for His purposes. God still makes choices on that basis today. The alllegiance of Jesus to His Father allowed God to not withold anything from He desired, even calling on the angels. Had He done so, Jesus would never have been savior and there could never again be an effort made by God to redeem man. If Jesus would have chosing to be pulled out...man would still have been saved. Jesus is the Word made flesh the perfect man which God could only accept. Jesus wanted that same love demostrated to Him available to others and so he chose to do so. How can a sinless man take on all sin?.... He had to choose. Not to Him did He believe so. So Jesus didn't believe the Father as that being an option? What would have been the result He had done so? There never would be that question as Jesus is the Word made flesh. Just look at Jesus response to the temptation... Matthew4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. There never will be any what if. Consider that Temptation can not ever be temptation unless there is the possibility of failure. . . .Jesus was tempted, made subject to vanity, and overcame by the written word of God. It was as Adam was supposed to do and failed. Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out. You mention the possibility of failure, but Jesus was given a choice... neither choice would have been a failure but God's love was demostrated by Jesus choice made. Now we have life (if accepted) because of it. Sure it would. Why would you believe it wouldn't? "Jesus was given the option of calling on the angels to pull him out". Not to Him did He believe so. It was a "sink or swim" issue and He knew His Father was trusting Him for His purposes. God still makes choices on that basis today. The alllegiance of Jesus to His Father allowed God to not withold anything from He desired, even calling on the angels. Had He done so, Jesus would never have been savior and there could never again be an effort made by God to redeem man. If Jesus would have chosing to be pulled out...man would still have been saved. Jesus is the Word made flesh the perfect man which God could only accept. Jesus wanted that same love demostrated to Him available to others and so he chose to do so. How can a sinless man take on all sin?.... He had to choose. Not to Him did He believe so. So Jesus didn't believe the Father as that being an option? " Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet." Psalm 91:9-13 (KJV) You are presumimg on a poor rendendering of the scriptures that never speak of tempting God, to support your question. Jesus never went against the will of the Father. He never tempted Him either. "If Jesus would have chosing to be pulled out...man would still have been saved. Jesus is the Word made flesh the perfect man which God could only accept. Jesus wanted that same love demostrated to Him available to others and so he chose to do so. How can a sinless man take on all sin?.... He had to choose." _____________________________________________________________________________ Jesus chose the only route possible that could only bring about salvation to man. Jesus was God's consummate man. Man as God intended man. Trusting In God's written word was part of His consummation [prerfection]. Not trusting in His written word, by taking matters into His own hands, ala calling on Angels to assist Him in His temptations, would have been a falling away from that perfection __ they weren't available anyway. hence, He would have been disqualified from being savior every bit as much Adam's transgression disqualified him from "bringing many sons unto glory" by procreation. Obeying the commands of God is key to understanding this. As with adam, the temptation of Jesus was by the Hand of God and Jesus knew it. Read Luke 4:1-14 to understand how He entered and how He came out of the wilderness for understanding of what Jesus understood.. 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7thseal Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 186 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 Jesus chose Not trusting in His written word, by taking matters into His own hands, ala calling on Angels to asist Him in His temptations, would have been a falling away from that perfection, Uh-oh.... Jesus is the Word made flesh which never goes against the written Word. Jesus always quoted.. for it is written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Reference Posted June 14, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 192 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/12/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) Jesus chose Not trusting in His written word, by taking matters into His own hands, ala calling on Angels to asist Him in His temptations, would have been a falling away from that perfection, Uh-oh.... Jesus is the Word made flesh which never goes against the written Word. Jesus always quoted.. for it is written. What can I say that will convince you that the "Word" submitted Himself to the flesh of Jesus who was made, as you know, a little lower than the angels. Everything Jesus did on earth was of His flesh steeped, consummated, made perfect, in the Godhead __ complete union with God. Understand this to understand what our being born again is really to be all about! Edited June 14, 2014 by Cross Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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