The Beast From The Sea

[Sister]

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

Salty, I do not see what this has got to do with it. 

You say the false prophet is Satan himself.  You can believe that if you like, but to me it does not harmonise with scripture.

I know Satan is there with him holding his hand, guiding him, going in him, but i cannot accept the false prophet is Satan himself.

I say the scriptures tell us the false prophet is a man "The man of sin", the son of perdition.   

Satan is not the son of anything anymore, but the father of lies, and a father to the wicked. 

Satan was the first to sin.  He came before perdition, not the other way round.

 

 Daniel 11:38   But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

 

Can you please tell me if Satan has fathers?

[Guest Jesse]

  1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

jesse.

[Montana Marv]

Really the beast out of the sea is a kingdom, yet one of the heads of this kingdom is also called a beast (the one which had the fatal wound, and was healed of this fatal wound [Rev 13:3,4]).  All the world follow this beast which had the fatal wound [most likely the A/C].  Then the beast out of the earth is the False Prophet. This False Prophet makes the world worship the beast which had the fatal wound.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Salty]

 

 

Salty

 

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

 

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

FROM GOD'S OWN IMAGE LIKENESS

 

Does our Heavenly Father have a flesh body, ever? No, of course not, because Apostle John told us He is "a Spirit" per John 4. The image of 'man' originates in the Heavenly dimension with GOD, not from Adam in the flesh.

 

This is why... the angels also have that image of man. Definition of the name Gabriel in Hebrew = 'man of God'.

 

In both the Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 parables about Satan, God even called him a 'man'.

 

Thus... the word 'man' = an image likeness, BOTH in Heaven and on earth.

 

Because no FLESH man is judged and sentenced perish yet, that's HOW to know the "false prophet" of Rev.19:20 is NOT a flesh born man. Who is... already judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire as of today? ONLY Satan and his angels! So which one of them would be in that "false prophet" ROLE for the end? Satan himself. But Satan is not destroyed at Christ's coming, that ROLE of the "false prophet" he will play, will be destroyed then, along with his beast kingdom.

 

That's as clear as I can make it.

 

 

A more relevant question than where did man originate is "who is it that judges?"

 

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war."  Rev 19:11

 

Its no accident that the phrase "He judges and wages war" is there because that's what He is getting ready to do.  Your argument that only Satan and his angels have so far been judged and sentenced to the lake of fire does not preclude the Righteous Judge from judging on the spot and sentencing the false prophet to the lake of fire.  There's no basis for that assumption.  The false prophet is a man who is judged at the return of Christ and cast into the lake of fire.

 

The notion of "roles" and "beast kingdoms" being thrown into the lake of fire is without precedent.  It was created for the devil and his angels, not roles that they might play or things that they might do.  The goats (unbelievers) will also be there.

 

 

You don't know what you're talking about, because you cannot find ANY other time than the end of Christ's 1,000 years in God's Word about God's Great White Throne Judgment of flesh born cast into the "lake of fire". But you will... find... IF you look, Scripture about Satan and his angels already having been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire", even back in the OT Books.

 

Basically you're calling me liar, which I do not take lightly. So let's find out who's making up fibs here. Go, go find me that Scripture of the Great White Throne Judgment in the "lake of fire" at any other time than after Christ's 1,000 years reign.

[Salty]

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

Salty, I do not see what this has got to do with it. 

You say the false prophet is Satan himself.  You can believe that if you like, but to me it does not harmonise with scripture.

I know Satan is there with him holding his hand, guiding him, going in him, but i cannot accept the false prophet is Satan himself.

I say the scriptures tell us the false prophet is a man "The man of sin", the son of perdition.   

Satan is not the son of anything anymore, but the father of lies, and a father to the wicked. 

Satan was the first to sin.  He came before perdition, not the other way round.

 

 Daniel 11:38   But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

 

Can you please tell me if Satan has fathers?

 

 

You don't see what God's Own Image Likeness He created us and the angels with has to do with the image of man? Are you in confusion like others here about that simple matter too?

[Guest Jesse]

Montana.

Read carefully.

 

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

1. The beast out of the sea has 7heads.

    the 6th head was Rome.

    The 7th head is the british empite,which we are in now.(a mixed people.lion.bear.leopard).

    the british empire was wounded during the 2nd ww.

 

2.This empire will morph into the 8th,which is coming soon,the nwo.(= the ten toes of the image of Dan 2),last kingdom.

    the beast out of the earth is the miracle man,The f.prophet.

    the beast with the two horns like a lamb.

   Two horns,meaning: he is in charge of the secular and the spiritual. He calls himself god. 

    He will cause all to worsip the new sysytem,and to receive his mark.

    His kingdom and himself will be cast into the fire.rev 19:20.

 

jesse.

[Salty]

Really the beast out of the sea is a kingdom, yet one of the heads of this kingdom is also called a beast (the one which had the fatal wound, and was healed of this fatal wound [Rev 13:3,4]).  All the world follow this beast which had the fatal wound [most likely the A/C].  Then the beast out of the earth is the False Prophet. This False Prophet makes the world worship the beast which had the fatal wound.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Yes, the 1st beast out of the sea is a kingdom beast, and not a person. Anyone who reads Rev.13:12 and understands the "seven heads" are about "seven mountains" per Rev.17:9 ought to have that one figured out, since for some the beast kingdom references Jesus gave in Rev.13:2 from Daniel 7 doesn't seem to be enough for some folks.

[Last Daze]

 

 

 

Salty

 

 

Isn't you that is saying that?

You believe that Satan himself will be the false prophet.

Satan is an angel, and the false prophet is a man. You say Satan is posing as a man?  Is that right?

 

 

There we go with that 'man' stuff again. Where did the image of man originate from per Gen.1?

 

FROM GOD'S OWN IMAGE LIKENESS

 

Does our Heavenly Father have a flesh body, ever? No, of course not, because Apostle John told us He is "a Spirit" per John 4. The image of 'man' originates in the Heavenly dimension with GOD, not from Adam in the flesh.

 

This is why... the angels also have that image of man. Definition of the name Gabriel in Hebrew = 'man of God'.

 

In both the Ezek.28 and Isaiah 14 parables about Satan, God even called him a 'man'.

 

Thus... the word 'man' = an image likeness, BOTH in Heaven and on earth.

 

Because no FLESH man is judged and sentenced perish yet, that's HOW to know the "false prophet" of Rev.19:20 is NOT a flesh born man. Who is... already judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire as of today? ONLY Satan and his angels! So which one of them would be in that "false prophet" ROLE for the end? Satan himself. But Satan is not destroyed at Christ's coming, that ROLE of the "false prophet" he will play, will be destroyed then, along with his beast kingdom.

 

That's as clear as I can make it.

 

 

A more relevant question than where did man originate is "who is it that judges?"

 

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war."  Rev 19:11

 

Its no accident that the phrase "He judges and wages war" is there because that's what He is getting ready to do.  Your argument that only Satan and his angels have so far been judged and sentenced to the lake of fire does not preclude the Righteous Judge from judging on the spot and sentencing the false prophet to the lake of fire.  There's no basis for that assumption.  The false prophet is a man who is judged at the return of Christ and cast into the lake of fire.

 

The notion of "roles" and "beast kingdoms" being thrown into the lake of fire is without precedent.  It was created for the devil and his angels, not roles that they might play or things that they might do.  The goats (unbelievers) will also be there.

 

 

You don't know what you're talking about, because you cannot find ANY other time than the end of Christ's 1,000 years in God's Word about God's Great White Throne Judgment of flesh born cast into the "lake of fire". But you will... find... IF you look, Scripture about Satan and his angels already having been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire", even back in the OT Books.

 

Basically you're calling me liar, which I do not take lightly. So let's find out who's making up fibs here. Go, go find me that Scripture of the Great White Throne Judgment in the "lake of fire" at any other time than after Christ's 1,000 years reign.

 

Its not I that has the problem understanding plain English.  Re-read what I highlighted.  No need to take offense.  Look up "preclude" in the dictionary if you need to.

[Salty]

Montana.

Read carefully.

 

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

1. The beast out of the sea has 7heads.

    the 6th head was Rome.

    The 7th head is the british empite,which we are in now.(a mixed people.lion.bear.leopard).

    the british empire was wounded during the 2nd ww.

 

2.This empire will morph into the 8th,which is coming soon,the nwo.(= the ten toes of the image of Dan 2),last kingdom.

    the beast out of the earth is the miracle man,The f.prophet.

    the beast with the two horns like a lamb.

   Two horns,meaning: he is in charge of the secular and the spiritual. He calls himself god. 

    He will cause all to worsip the new sysytem,and to receive his mark.

    His kingdom and himself will be cast into the fire.rev 19:20.

 

jesse.

 

The 7th king is for the end of this world, not the 8th. That's why the 7th is shown to only continue a short space (Rev.17:10). We well know that is not the British empire because it has not just continued a "short space", it has gone centuries, and still is an empire today with territories in every part of the globe.

 

Furthermore, the British empire has never had 10 kings (ten horns) ruling over it, but only one at a time. So your reference just does not fit the Scripture at all.

[Salty]

Its not I that has the problem understanding plain English.  Re-read what I highlighted.  No need to take offense.  Look up "preclude" in the dictionary if you need to.

 

 

 

My challenge is still to you, and it's actually more for your own benefit than anything else, because it's an area of Bible study you're lacking in.

 

None born flesh are judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire until the end of Christ's "thousand years" reign. It's because that is the ONLY time one born flesh stands before Christ's Judgment Seat per His Revelation, and per His Apostles in the NT Epistles. All born flesh are appointed once to die, and then the Judgment, which is about the Judgment after the 1,000 years.

 

No where will you find even our Lord Jesus Christ in The Four Gospels already judging and sentencing one born flesh to the "lake of fire", only Satan and his angels. This is why it is very, very wrong to go around condemning people to the lake of fire, because that Judgment Seat is not ours, but Christ's only, at the very end after His thousand years reign. Even Judas Iscariot whom our Lord also called the "son of perdition" has yet to be judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. We can 'think' he probably will be based on what Jesus said about him, but we... still... do... not... know, because that decision belongs to our Lord Jesus only, and He won't make it until the Great White Throne Judgment after His thousand years reign, when all others born flesh are judged also.