Non-OSAS and sleep

[dscapp]

Hmm which debate should we go to bed angry over, the original topic of OSAS or not, or whether your a heretic for liking one translation over another . . .don't you all know Jude chapter 2 says the ESV is to be held in higher regard then all other due to the facts its just plain aweseome and all scoffers should just eat peanut butter endlessly until they see the error of their ways.

 

I made grilled cheese for the first time the other day. It was so good, I'm thinking of adding virginia ham to it maybe some pickle.

[other one]

good spicy bologna is better.

[dscapp]

good spicy bologna is better.

 

I will not eat bologna, that and eggplant. ick.

[Guest shiloh357]

Hmm which debate should we go to bed angry over, the original topic of OSAS or not, or whether your a heretic for liking one translation over another . . .don't you all know Jude chapter 2 says the ESV is to be held in higher regard then all other due to the facts its just plain aweseome and all scoffers should just eat peanut butter endlessly until they see the error of their ways.

I don't recall anyone calling anyone else a heretic over translations, Pat. 

[dscapp]

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What are your thoughts on Heb 3:7-19. How can a born again christian not believe a God exist anymore..

 

Warning Against Unbelief

7So, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you hear his voice,

8do not harden your hearts

as you did in the rebellion,

during the time of testing in the wilderness,

9where your ancestors tested and tried me,

though for forty years they saw what I did.

10That is why I was angry with that generation;

I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,

and they have not known my ways.’

11So I declared on oath in my anger,

‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”

 

12See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. 15As has just been said:

“Today, if you hear his voice,

do not harden your hearts

as you did in the rebellion.”

16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

[The_Patriot21]

would that be in verse 10-19?

Most likely

[The_Patriot21]

Hmm which debate should we go to bed angry over, the original topic of OSAS or not, or whether your a heretic for liking one translation over another . . .don't you all know Jude chapter 2 says the ESV is to be held in higher regard then all other due to the facts its just plain aweseome and all scoffers should just eat peanut butter endlessly until they see the error of their ways.

I don't recall anyone calling anyone else a heretic over translations, Pat.

You missed the point of the post. It was my humorous way of suggesting that maybe we should calm down. Neither topic is a salvation issue and I'd hate to see it turn into a knock out draggout.

[Guest Butero]

Dscapp, when the word says converteth, that only means because at the time, the person is lost.  It can easily be because they have fallen from grace because of their sins, which is what I believe it is saying. 

 

I do agree with The Patriot, that it is not essential we agree on this topic to be saved.  It is not worth getting all upset over. 

[OneLight]

I have split the thread, removing the discussion I was having with Shiloh, so this thread can continue on subject.  The new thread, if anyone cares to participate, is

[dscapp]

So I dont think someone who is born again ceases to believe in God but that they choose to love thier sin more than love God.

 

I agree with this statement here.

 

can you explain to me what yoir thoughts are on romans 11:21-23...

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.

behold therefore the goodness and severity of God; on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.

and they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

 

This is not speaking of a individual born again christian as a single person . This is referring to the sins of the church state of the Jewish remnant.

 

just incase you dont know what graff means, today we call it grafting. I have a fair amount of knowledge with plants and soil and what I know about grafting is the practise is done a lot with fruit trees, in the passage its speaking of olive trees. First off you need a sharp knife to do this. Three layers to be concerned with. The wood, the cambian, and the bark. If those layers dont line up good from the rootstock wood to the shoot one is trying to graft in, it wont grow and produce fruit. You can graft in limbs from any tree of its kind, like say citrus. You got a grapefruit tree rooted in the ground, you should be able to graft in new growth shoots from oranges, lemons, limes, etc. And adventually produce different fruits on one tree. This practice is heavily used in agriculture today because some rootstocks are not suitable to soil types/ disease resistance in all regions and so many fruits cannot be grown in certian areas without grafting. Some fruits are more desirable and bring more money at the supermarkets. After you cut a knotch in the rootstock and fit the cutting in, you either wrap it with a certian tape or put wax on it to keep disease out and promote it to "heal" it takes a little practice to master this and I do recommend a carbon steel blade opposed to stainless. Stainless is to soft and looses its edge to quick.

 

"and they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

 

God is using grafting as a metaphor. Grafted here simply means that God will mend their relationship with him (by mercy and forgiveness). Many Jews refused to believe God. Those people lost their opportunity to have a right relationship with God. They were like the branches that the gardener removes from the tree. But many Gentiles believed God. And they were able to have a real relationship with God. They would be like the new branches, which would receive strength from the root. Jesus used a similar description in John chapter 15.