The Seven Seals

[Serving]

Hi Serving.

 

I agree with you that the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are concurrent events. Your point about the temple being opened after the 7th trumpet means that the 7 vials must have been fulfilled also.

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff,

 

Exactly.  

 

And the temple being closed for the duration of the 7 trumps & vials, can be likened to the closing of the doors of the Ark before the flood .. times up .. you made your choice (mark of the beast) and missed the boat (salvation) .. here comes the storm !! 

 

Regards.

[Salty]

The scripture directly below is concerning the angels with the vials .. If the vials are separate events from the trumpets ..

 

 

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

 

 

Then why does the 7th trumpet herald the opening of the temple of which apparently concerned 'only' the "vial angels" criteria in the above?

 

 

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

 

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

Good catch! I had not realized that comparison!

[Serving]

 

The scripture directly below is concerning the angels with the vials .. If the vials are separate events from the trumpets ..

 

 

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

 

 

Then why does the 7th trumpet herald the opening of the temple of which apparently concerned 'only' the "vial angels" criteria in the above?

 

 

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

 

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

Good catch! I had not realized that comparison!

 

 

Yes, praise the Lord.

[Serving]

Here's something I put together linking two chapters to form a clearer picture of a certain event .. if .. you believe that the trumps & vials are the same event, then this harmonizes quite nicely and justifies the linking together..

 

BTW, I believe there is also a second related mystery touched on within these verses too,  but that is another subject .. ALSO .. a possible third related link , but that also is for another related subject yet again.

 

Anyway, I only linked these two chapters after already believing that the trumps & vials were the same event, otherwise, I could never had seen this jump out at me in the first place!

 

Nevertheless, see what you think:

 

Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

 

Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

 

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

 

Revelation 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

 

Revelation 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

 

Revelation 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

 

Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

 

Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gaveunto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

 

Revelation 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

 

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

 

 

(Sorry if my linked colour coding was off putting?)

[Watching for Jesus]

Hi Serving.

 

I agree with your theory.  I found the same connection back in 2011.  I have uploaded videos onto You-Tube trying to show this to others.

 

I posted about this theory in the Prophecy forum thread "The Seven Trumpets and the Seven Vials" on page 5.  If you are interested, you can read what I said.

 

I would be interested in further discussion on this theory.  You can send me a message if you are interested.

 

Jeff

[Salty]

Yes, that reveals those seven angels were given both the seven trumpets and seven vials at the same time, and then went out. The seventh seal with silence for a half hour I interpret as a pause, to separate the vision of the seals from these events you quoted, because the events of the sixth seal include the time of God's wrath.

[Serving]

Hi Serving.

 

I agree with your theory.  I found the same connection back in 2011.  I have uploaded videos onto You-Tube trying to show this to others.

 

I posted about this theory in the Prophecy forum thread "The Seven Trumpets and the Seven Vials" on page 5.  If you are interested, you can read what I said.

 

I would be interested in further discussion on this theory.  You can send me a message if you are interested.

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff,

 

Sorry for the late reply ..

 

Hmm .. Seems we have a bit in common here .. Reading and studying the King James Version of the Bible, Bible prophecy, playing chess, playing my guitar, writing songs .. not that I get to play chess much these days nor write songs anymore or play very much either .. but nevertheless ..

 

Yes, I will read your post and get back to you soon.

 

God bless.

[Serving]

Yes, that reveals those seven angels were given both the seven trumpets and seven vials at the same time, and then went out. The seventh seal with silence for a half hour I interpret as a pause, to separate the vision of the seals from these events you quoted, because the events of the sixth seal include the time of God's wrath.

 

Yes quite possible (the half hour silence) .. or maybe even something to do with the sealing of the 144 000 perhaps!!

 

Very interesting nevertheless.

[Sister]

 

Yes, that reveals those seven angels were given both the seven trumpets and seven vials at the same time, and then went out. The seventh seal with silence for a half hour I interpret as a pause, to separate the vision of the seals from these events you quoted, because the events of the sixth seal include the time of God's wrath.

 

Yes quite possible (the half hour silence) .. or maybe even something to do with the sealing of the 144 000 perhaps!!

 

Very interesting nevertheless.

 

Hi Serving

 

It's not only a possibility but an absolute in my opinion if we put the pieces of the puzzle carefully together where they should fit.

The half hour of silence in heaven does not mean nothing is happening, but the opposite, something BIG is happening, or else it would not be mentioned.

 

The half hour of silence happens before the 7 trumpets/vials blow.

And what happens just before this?

The 144,000 are sealed.

 

 Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

 

This is why the four angels are told to hold back, because it's time, they are standing there ready but told just wait a little longer;

Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

After this, it's all go.  The Mark of the beast will be issued, and Babylon will receive the plagues of the 7 angels.

There are only 144,000 who are sealed.  Not many.

 

And by the time we get to the 5th trumpet, those sealed ones (only 144,000)  are still here;

 Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

Only 144,000 are sealed remember.  Again, not many.

 

It looks like the 144,000 are not going to be affected by the plagues, nor killed during the beheading phase.  It will be like it was in the "passover".  The angels will just pass over them.

But there are ONLY 144,000, who follow the lamb wheresoever he goes in the last generation,... and we know the rest of the christians will be persecuted before the 1st trumpet even blows.

 

So two groups of christians here.  One big group and one very very small.

 

I would like to go into more detail with this one later, because there is something I have found very interesting here with something else, but visitors are on their way so I must go.

 

God bless.

[Serving]

 

 

Yes, that reveals those seven angels were given both the seven trumpets and seven vials at the same time, and then went out. The seventh seal with silence for a half hour I interpret as a pause, to separate the vision of the seals from these events you quoted, because the events of the sixth seal include the time of God's wrath.

 

Yes quite possible (the half hour silence) .. or maybe even something to do with the sealing of the 144 000 perhaps!!

 

Very interesting nevertheless.

 

Hi Serving

 

It's not only a possibility but an absolute in my opinion if we put the pieces of the puzzle carefully together where they should fit.

The half hour of silence in heaven does not mean nothing is happening, but the opposite, something BIG is happening, or else it would not be mentioned.

 

The half hour of silence happens before the 7 trumpets/vials blow.

And what happens just before this?

The 144,000 are sealed.

 

 Revelation 7:1   And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

 

This is why the four angels are told to hold back, because it's time, they are standing there ready but told just wait a little longer;

Revelation 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

After this, it's all go.  The Mark of the beast will be issued, and Babylon will receive the plagues of the 7 angels.

There are only 144,000 who are sealed.  Not many.

 

And by the time we get to the 5th trumpet, those sealed ones (only 144,000)  are still here;

 Revelation 9:4   And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

 

Only 144,000 are sealed remember.  Again, not many.

 

It looks like the 144,000 are not going to be affected by the plagues, nor killed during the beheading phase.  It will be like it was in the "passover".  The angels will just pass over them.

But there are ONLY 144,000, who follow the lamb wheresoever he goes in the last generation,... and we know the rest of the christians will be persecuted before the 1st trumpet even blows.

 

So two groups of christians here.  One big group and one very very small.

 

I would like to go into more detail with this one later, because there is something I have found very interesting here with something else, but visitors are on their way so I must go.

 

God bless.

 

Hi Sister,

 

Thanks for joining in.

 

It is my opinion that the half hour silence represents the sealing of the 144 000 but I'm not going to tell others it is definite even though in my mind & soul it is. 

 

I am not going to say that to others because it is more a biblically founded discernment rather than a black and white declaration from the scriptures, no matter how confident I am of it.

 

Don't get me wrong, it makes total sense, the silent expectation in heaven before the starters gun is fired as it were.

 

Yes I agree also that the 144 000 will still be on earth during the plagues, though unaffected by it without doubt.

 

Which of course brings us to those other Christians who are not yet killed by the beast, whom God preserves during that time (likely only very very small numbers though since Isaiah says we will be persecuted after the manner of Egypt which gives us some minor insights to credible scenarios for the persecuted brethren during the tribulation) .. be they in prison (likely used as cheap labour / slaves or simply not yet processed to the proverbial chopping block), or in hiding by Gods grace et .. I believe that this group unfortunately will be affected by the plagues .. no doubt as part of the cleansing of their robes process .. though I believe this very small group will likely be far more spiritually advanced (holding more truth et) than the rest of their executed brethren but nevertheless still exposed to the plagues. 

 

I look forward to hearing what you have found too ..

 

God bless.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Serving