Secullar Heavy Metal/Christian Heavy Metal Q

[Guest LadyC]

i think that's putting an awful lot of expectation on the listener, to be able to know the intent of the artist who wrote the music. that isn't about spiritual maturity. 

 

being able to tell if a song is uplifting or not is one thing. knowing the intent of the artist is another. and deciding arbitrarily whether another person is spiritually deficient or bankrupt based on their musical taste is self righteous condemnation at its best.

[Hall7]

i think that's putting an awful lot of expectation on the listener, to be able to know the intent of the artist who wrote the music. that isn't about spiritual maturity. 

 

being able to tell if a song is uplifting or not is one thing. knowing the intent of the artist is another. and deciding arbitrarily whether another person is spiritually deficient or bankrupt based on their musical taste is self righteous condemnation at its best.

I think it should be second nature to a Christian, there's a difference between a song that says "shout at the Devil" and another that says "Blessed be our King", although it's not always that obvious, some music has hidden evil messages in it...

[kwikphilly]

Blessings ChristServantSean

     Welcome to Worthy..............I was there in 1974,at Alice's concerts.....I was also lead singer in a rock band back then & did our version of 'dead Babies" ,the "telephone is ringin" & a bunch of other Cooper songs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they were absolutely of the devil,& what he did on stage was an obvious act of satanic ritual..................please,give me a break!

      Brother,move on .....bad enough he is promoting this trash but his behavior of turning his back & slamming the door on you says it all...I would pray for him,the church he pastors,from afar...................find another church,IMO

                                                                                                                                                        With love-in Christ,Kwik

 

Alice's intent? Then,well his slaughtering of live animals on stage(not props,live animals),,,was pretty clear

[Hall7]

Amen Kwik, I don't understand why some people don't see the obvious in this.

[Sevenseas]

 

i think that's putting an awful lot of expectation on the listener, to be able to know the intent of the artist who wrote the music. that isn't about spiritual maturity. 

 

being able to tell if a song is uplifting or not is one thing. knowing the intent of the artist is another. and deciding arbitrarily whether another person is spiritually deficient or bankrupt based on their musical taste is self righteous condemnation at its best.

I think it should be second nature to a Christian, there's a difference between a song that says "shout at the Devil" and another that says "Blessed be our King", although it's not always that obvious, some music has hidden evil messages in it...

 

 

 

I agree...I find nothing in heavy metal that glorifies God...that is my opinion but I have an awful hard time thinking heaven sounds like that.....  

 

as far as intent goes, the interesting thing about music is that it betrays intent in the very creation...anyone writing music knows that

[Guest LadyC]

 

i think that's putting an awful lot of expectation on the listener, to be able to know the intent of the artist who wrote the music. that isn't about spiritual maturity. 

 

being able to tell if a song is uplifting or not is one thing. knowing the intent of the artist is another. and deciding arbitrarily whether another person is spiritually deficient or bankrupt based on their musical taste is self righteous condemnation at its best.

I think it should be second nature to a Christian, there's a difference between a song that says "shout at the Devil" and another that says "Blessed be our King", although it's not always that obvious, some music has hidden evil messages in it...

 

 

so i ask the question again... where do you draw the line? is someone spiritually weak if they listen to reba mcintyre? george jones? kenny chesney? tim mcgraw?

 

are they spiritually weak if they listen to seals and croft? kenny wayne sheppard? lynard skynard?

 

you really didn't answer the question. there is a whole lot of secular music that doesn't speak of God or of satan, but that just have lyrics that pertain to life experience. does listening to music that doesn't specifically mention God make one weak?

 

this thread was actually about christian music with a hard rock beat. if someone is listening to scott stapp, who performs christian metal, does that make them spiritually bankrupt? and though the artist gives glory to God, loves Him, and testifies of Him, is his music really satan's, as is asserted by the OP?

[Hall7]

i think that's putting an awful lot of expectation on the listener, to be able to know the intent of the artist who wrote the music. that isn't about spiritual maturity. 

 

being able to tell if a song is uplifting or not is one thing. knowing the intent of the artist is another. and deciding arbitrarily whether another person is spiritually deficient or bankrupt based on their musical taste is self righteous condemnation at its best.

I think it should be second nature to a Christian, there's a difference between a song that says "shout at the Devil" and another that says "Blessed be our King", although it's not always that obvious, some music has hidden evil messages in it...

 

so i ask the question again... where do you draw the line? is someone spiritually weak if they listen to reba mcintyre? george jones? kenny chesney? tim mcgraw?

 

are they spiritually weak if they listen to seals and croft? kenny wayne sheppard? lynard skynard?

 

you really didn't answer the question. there is a whole lot of secular music that doesn't speak of God or of satan, but that just have lyrics that pertain to life experience. does listening to music that doesn't specifically mention God make one weak?

 

this thread was actually about christian music with a hard rock beat. if someone is listening to scott stapp, who performs christian metal, does that make them spiritually bankrupt? and though the artist gives glory to God, loves Him, and testifies of Him, is his music really satan's, as is asserted by the OP?

Any type of music that glorifies Satan makes a spirit weak to the one who listens to it, it's like a slow disease that consumes the spirit little by little. Some end up committing suicide from being brought so low by evil music, that's how much Satan has a hold on the music industry. And to answer your other question, listening to any other type of music that doesn't mention God or Evil shouldn't make a spirit weak, but it is a worldly act.

[Guest LadyC]

ok, but you're still missing the question i'm trying to ask. maybe i'm just not asking it right. and really, the question is more directed at sean than you, since he's really the one who has determined that christian metal is of satan.

 

if the lyrics glorify God, if the artist testifies the love of Jesus, but the music sounds like a train wreck, who gets to decide that the music is satanic? or that the listener is spiritually immature?

[Hall7]

ok, but you're still missing the question i'm trying to ask. maybe i'm just not asking it right. and really, the question is more directed at sean than you, since he's really the one who has determined that christian metal is of satan.

 

if the lyrics glorify God, if the artist testifies the love of Jesus, but the music sounds like a train wreck, who gets to decide that the music is satanic? or that the listener is spiritually immature?

Ah I see, I don't mean to sound like I know all the answers but to me, I find any kinds of Christian music genre perfectly fine, as long as the artist testifies the love of Jesus, whether it be through heavy metal "sounds", Rap or whatever, it's not the sound that affects the spirit it's the words spoken out of ones spirit. I think it's a good way to testify to kids who are into that kind of music, because they'll listen to it and will hopefully begin to listen to the message of God incorporated into the music.

[Hall7]

I was against the idea that this preacher also listens to "secular" heavy metal and promoting that it was perfectly ok to do so...