Should we declare war against ISIL or any of the terrorist groups

[Guest LadyC]

ok let's take your examples.

 

eric rudolph. so what? he was against a gathering of global socialism. does that make him a conservative? is anti-socialism exclusive to conservatives? i don't think so. yes, conservatives oppose socialism, but news flash, so do many liberals.

 

timothy mcveigh. he bought a shirt at a KKK rally. this hardly supports your position. conservatives and the KKK are not compatible at all. and really you're showing a lack of knowledge about mcveigh. his attack on the federal building in retaliation for waco.... that also doesn't support your position. 

 

your wisconsin temple massacre.... carried out by someone who is apparently anti-muslim. where is some indication of his ideology? conservatives don't bomb buildings.

 

jim adkisson. never heard of him, i might have to look into it. sounds to me like someone who was mentally unstable.

 

however, i asked you to provide me examples of any conservatives who ever joined a terrorist organization. you didn't provide me any examples. you provided some random incidents by people YOU assume are conservative.

 

the ONLY thing you even came close to giving a legitimate example of was those who bomb abortion clinics. yep, liberals definitely don't do that. neither do sane conservatives. in a 40 year time span, there have been 17 attempted murders of abortionists. attempted, not actual. there have also been 40 bombings of abortion clinics in 40 years, on the entire continent, not just the USA. while those numbers are certainly not good, they are random attacks by extremists who are not mainstream conservatives. and i'm sure that those numbers pale in comparison to the atrocities committed by liberals. don't believe me? look up the statistics on prison inmates past and present, and what party they support.

 

but really that is just a distraction from my original question, anyway. what CONSERVATIVES can you name that have joined TERRORIST organizations? 

[Guest LadyC]

oh, and about the about most liberal people volunteering.... that's great, i guess volunteerism is  a bipartisan thing. why do i say that? because i'm a conservative, and i've been very active in the community for helping those in need, both as a volunteer with other conservative organizations and churches and on my own. nothing gives me more pleasure than to help feed someone who is hungry, or to give clothes to someone who is homeless and has been wearing the same clothes for weeks.

 

but i disagree with the many (both conservative and liberal people) who sponsor hungry children in foreign nations. there is so much poverty and hunger on our own streets, we should be taking care of those in our own back yard first. when every american has a roof over their head and three square meals a day, THEN it's time to donate to people overseas. 

 

and you think only liberals care about the innocents in iraq and syria? go spend some time on a marine corp base. i've spent LOTS of time on bases. a large percentage of marines have very conservative mindsets... and yet they are the ones who were angry about not being allowed to finish the work they were doing helping the citizens of iraq. the difference is that conservatives and liberals have different ideas on who the innocents in war torn places are. liberals tend to think the bad guys are the ones who need protecting. conservatives believe the citizens, the by-standers, are the victims that need our help. 

 

your hatred of conservatives is glaringly obvious every time you post BE.... no matter what the topic, you have this thing for painting us as the enemy. as the callous, cold-hearted, blood thirsty killers. i can assure you, we aren't.

[OakWood]

I notice when the gun debate rises its ugly head, the people who are pro-gun (mainly Conservatives) are called murdering red-neck cowboys by many anti-gun Liberals yet most of the mass-shootings in U.S. have been committed by Liberals and Democrat voters.

[coheir]

I notice when the gun debate rises its ugly head, the people who are pro-gun (mainly Conservatives) are called murdering red-neck cowboys by many anti-gun Liberals yet most of the mass-shootings in U.S. have been committed by Liberals and Democrat voters.

even though we have freedom of speech here if one tries to point this out one could end up on a list they should not be on.

[Guest LadyC]

ok, having looked up the wisconsin sikh temple massacre. it was committed by wade michael page. he was a suicidal maniac. he was also a white supremacist.

 

conservatives are not white supremacists. 

in fact, most racism today comes from the left and is directed at white americans.

 

timothy mcveigh was also a suicidal maniac and a blood-thirsty white supremacist. he served a tour in iraq. he decapitated an iraqi soldier and celebrated. then he tried to join the special forces but was found to be psychologically unstable. he later claimed he had a microchip in his butt and that the government was tracking his every move. the guy was insane. and he was an anarchist who peddled anti-government literature.

 

eric rudolph claims to be a conservative christian... and yet he is anti-semitic. can't be both, IMO. he is part of a racist organization that hates anyone that isn't white and of european or german descent. he claims to NOT be an anarchist, and yet his bombing of clinics was, in his own words, retaliation against the government for not banning abortion. that was after having already perpetrated the bombing at the 1996 olympics in an attempt to embarrass and humiliate the american government. in spite of his claims, he is an anarchist. his motivation for every crime he committed was his hatred for the government.

 

these people you use as examples are no more conservative than the westboro baptist church is christian.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

I posed the question as to why people join militia/terrorist groups, shiloh talking about why liberals are terrorist sympathizers. That doesn't really further the discussion. Keeping the subject on why people would join such an organization does.

 

Well not just terrorist sympathizers, but terrorist enablers, as well.  Actually what I said speaks to exactly the issue of why people join terrorist "militias."  My point was that liberals tend to argue that the reason people join organizations like that is because they feel oppressed and disadvantaged and join such organizations in order to express their rage and frustration.

 

My point was that liberals always trying to understand the terrorists, as if terrorists have rationale worth understanding, as if terrorism has something rational behind it.  It only shows how naive liberals are about this issue.

 

The only real long term solution is to create stability in Iraq and Syria so that ISIS doesn't have a power vacuum to take advantage of. As for Iraq, that power vacuum was formed when Saddam was removed from power. One huge step in the right direction would be to apply as much pressure as possible to make sure both Sunni and Shia Muslims are allowed to be in government. Another would be to get as many other governments in the area to focus on improving quality of life, security, and anti-terrorism measures. A ground war would be one of the worst options.

 

 

See, the Obama administration didn't make sure there was a SOF agreement and that is what has led to current unrest and the rise in ISIS.  It is liberal policies by a far Left administration that led to beheadings of two Americans and one Brit and the slaughter of so many innocent people including many children.  

 

The power vacuum was not the result of getting rid of Hussein.  You are wrong.  The power vacuum is the fault of the Obama administration.   A couple of years ago, Obama was trumpeting how he took every American out of Iraq and now we have a huge vacuum left by this president who continuously ignored for over one year all of the intelligence briefings that told the president what was going on and what was about to happen.  Now that things have turned sour because he left no American forces in Iraq, he wants to blame everything on Bush.   The truth is that Obama let ISIS happen.  We have a huge crisis on our hands and it is directly tied to THIS administration.    ISIS didn't come into existence after the ousting of Hussein.  ISIS began to form after all American forces were taken out of Iraq in 2011.  With the SOF agreement in place, ISIS may never have come to be what it is now..  It may not have existed at all.

 

Obama ignored the intell he was getting for over a year and now  we have ISIS.  We are past talking about stabilizing Iraq and Syria.  We are looking at that option in the rear view mirror. We could have talked about stabilizing Iraq and Syria a year ago, but that window is now closed and we have a 30,000 man army fully equipped with American made armor and artillery and other weapons reeking murder, terrorism, genocide and chaos all over the place over there. 

 

Now we are in a place where a ground war is the ONLY option for us, in concert with massive air power.   The problem is too far out of hand for any other option to be successful.  ISIS needs to be crushed with massive, merciless ferocity until every member of ISIS is dead.   We should make sure that ISIS is nothing but a greasy spot on the side of the road.  We also need to step how we are going to combat ISIS over here.   If they were in Australia planning to behead random Aussies, they are over here planning the same for the US.

[Guest LadyC]

http://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/federal-government-lists-evangelical-christianity-as-a-top-terrorist-threat/

guess who is above ISIS on the U.S. terrorist list

 

is there a government website that confirms that they view christians as the top threat?

[other one]

What do you think would happen if someone outlawed The Bible in America?

 

I rather doubt a single head would be cut off...

[The_Patriot21]

 

the current islamic population in the US is less then 1%. just thought id point that out. Also though we were already at war with terrorism. . .in any case Im not to worried about whether my insurance covers terrorism. From what ive seen overseas-if a terrorist attacks my home (unlikely) Im either going to be dead or he is. . .

unless you are at work....   or on vacation...

 

I somehow sincerely doubt a muslim terrorist is going to blow up an empty house. In fact I doubt theyre going to blow up a house at all. like I said less then 1% of the US population is muslim-even less of that, are extremists, and theyre far more likely to go after things that you know, might actually create terror, like parades, parks, hospitals. . .not someones home thats just a waste. IF we had a larger muslim population, and I mean a FAR larger population, I maybe worried, but as it is, 1% isnt going to waste time on homes. As far as foreign muslims coming in-again, unlikely to hit a home. why? because in order to actually create terror doing that youd have to hit a LOT of homes. That is a lot of manpower and resources that a foreign group would have to smuggle in here, to do it, and even with our open borders, it would be difficult to do. It would be far better and more efficient-to hit places like malls, hospitals, parades, etc. You use less resources-and create more panic. I mean serious, you blow up a house? neighbors on all sides go out and buy high tech cameras and AR-15s. Blow up a parade float? everyone stays home.

[coheir]

 

http://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/federal-government-lists-evangelical-christianity-as-a-top-terrorist-threat/

guess who is above ISIS on the U.S. terrorist list

 

is there a government website that confirms that they view christians as the top threat?

 

you might look here

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/72-types-of-americans-that-are-considered-potential-terrorists-in-official-government-documents

 

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-defense-department-teaching-documents-suggest-mainstream-conservative-views-extremist/