Are Jesus and Jehova (YHWH) the same being??????

[Guest]

Sorry now I understand how posting works here. I just wanted some quick feedback on the subject it's been bugging me for so long. It is super confusing there are so many ways to interpret the Bible and so many people have their own little versions of it and it's frustrating I don't want to fall into the wrong category when it comes to this. But thank you all for your replies I'll keep all of it in mind.

 

 

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Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Mark 13:31

 

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Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

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From The Front Of My Gideon New Testament

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Brother Joe...

   Glory to God,,,,,,,,,Father ,Son & Holy Spirit.......that is beautiful,Brother..........                             With love-in Christ,Kwik

[other one]

The  first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

 

The  first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

 

YHVH, which is translated LORD throughout the Old Testament, refers to ONE God-Being -- as evidenced by the SINGULAR context of each usage of YHVH. The Hebrew scriptures proclaim that there is ONE GOD, and that God is YHVH (YEHOVAH). And, according to David in Psalm 110:1, YHVH MUST be the Father.

I’m more than happy to dive into Psalm 110:1 and show you how you have confused God’s name LORD with title word Lord.

 

I think I have to disagree..

 

 

The God of Israel isYehovah.

 

 

Ex 24:9-11

9 Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10 and they saw the God of Israel ; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11 Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank.

NASB

 

John 6:45-47

Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 "Not that any man has seen the Father , except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father . 4

NASB

 

The God of Israel is Yehovah.....    74 people saw him.......       no one has seen the Father......    Yehovah can't be the Father.

[OakWood]

 

shiloh357

 

If Jesus isn't God then there is no salvation for mankind.

 

 

Please provide me scripture that actually says that?

 

A man could never have died or the sins of mankind.

 

Please provide me such scripture qualifications for such a sin offering?

 

The Bible shows the Messiah was a FULLY HUMAN MAN who lived a sinless life and died for our sins to become our savior. To say that YEHOVAH God our Savior could not save us in this fashion is to severely limit Him -- and you CANNOT LIMIT YEHOVAH GOD! His great plan of salvation can be carried out any way He chooses!

 

Jesus claimed to be God and demonstrated even AFTER His resurrection that He is God.

 

 

Please provide me scriptures of such claim

 

Jesus used Psalm 110:1 to prove His divinity.

 

 

The entirety of Psalm 110 is a prophecy that shows YEHOVAH God the Father will defeat the enemies of the Messiah ("I will make your enemies your footstool") after which the Messiah will rule over his people Israel. The time setting is yet FUTURE -- just before the beginning of the Millennium, the 1,000-year rule of YEHOVAH God and the Messiah on this earth.

Further Psalm 110 DOES NOT prove the Messiah was one of two YEHOVAHS -- it proves just the opposite! In the New Testament when the Messiah says "the LORD said to my Lord" (quoting from Psalm 110:1), the word "Lord" is translated from the SAME Greek word (kurios) in both cases. In the Old Testament the two references to "Lord" are two DIFFERENT Hebrew words!

 

The  first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

 

The  first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

 

YHVH, which is translated LORD throughout the Old Testament, refers to ONE God-Being -- as evidenced by the SINGULAR context of each usage of YHVH. The Hebrew scriptures proclaim that there is ONE GOD, and that God is YHVH (YEHOVAH). And, according to David in Psalm 110:1, YHVH MUST be the Father.

I’m more than happy to dive into Psalm 110:1 and show you how you have confused God’s name LORD with title word Lord.

 

The deity of Jesus is a cardinal doctrine of Scripture.

 

 

It’s a Pagan doctrine with its roots from Greek philosophy

 

If one rejects the deity of Jesus, then one must call Jesus a liar Christianity

 

 

I accept only one God and His name is YHWH, Yeshua is my saviour as Messiah but He is not a god, or is God but son of God, the first of us to be resurrected. Yeshua was never a Liar, you completely miss represent him

 

Post resurrection of Yeshua

 

Go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father , and your Father ; and to my God , and your God ."

Who is Yeshua’s God if he is God after His resurrection?

 

 

Omnipotence and Omnipresence is the answer. If you understand that you will also understand why Jesus is the son of God yet he is also God incarnate.

[Guest Teditis]

 

Omnipotence and Omnipresence is the answer. If you understand that you will also understand why Jesus is the son of God yet he is also God incarnate.

 

 

No its not, Yeshua bears the unique designation as the "only-begotten Son" of YEHOVAH God as a result of the resurrection. This now signifies him as being YEHOVAH's literal son (John 3:16). It is impossible to prove from the Bible -- as some would like -- that the term "Son of God" makes Yeshua the Messiah God.

 

 

But didn't Jesus use the term "ego eimi" (I am, I exist) close to 10 times when referring to himself?

That meaning that He was calling Himself YHWH... I am that I am.

 

Just wondering what you made of that?

[other one]

The first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

The first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

YHVH, which is translated LORD throughout the Old Testament, refers to ONE God-Being -- as evidenced by the SINGULAR context of each usage of YHVH. The Hebrew scriptures proclaim that there is ONE GOD, and that God is YHVH (YEHOVAH). And, according to David in Psalm 110:1, YHVH MUST be the Father.

I’m more than happy to dive into Psalm 110:1 and show you how you have confused God’s name LORD with title word Lord.

I think I have to disagree..

The God of Israel isYehovah.

Ex 24:9-11

9 Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10 and they saw the God of Israel ; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11 Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank.

NASB

John 6:45-47

Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 "Not that any man has seen the Father , except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father . 4

NASB

The God of Israel is Yehovah..... 74 people saw him....... no one has seen the Father...... Yehovah can't be the Father.

JOHN 6:45-47 This teaching guards against the notion that one could know God by means of the Old Testament alone. The true revelation of God could come only from one, even from him "that is from God," which is Christ.

Further you open yourself up to some major scripture discrepancies

Ps. 2:2 - "the rulers take counsel together against Jehovah, and against his anointed [Messiah - compare Acts 4:24-27]" - ASV;

Ps. 2:7 - "I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee' [compare Acts 13:33,34]" - ASV;

Micah 5:2, 4 - "And he [Jesus] shall stand, and shall feed his flock ... in the majesty of the name of Jehovah his God." - ASV.

We also know that Jehovah is the Father, not the Son. Jehovah is never called "the Son," "the Messiah," "the only-begotten," "the firstborn," etc. But he is called the Father: "O Jehovah, thou art our Father" - Is. 64:8 ASV (compare Is. 63:16; Jer. 3:19, 20; Deut. 32:6; Ps. 89:26, 27).

"Father,.... This is eternal life to know thee who alone art truly God..." - Jn 17:1, 3, NEB. Cf. Ps. 86:6, 10; Is. 45:5, 6, 21, 22.

l don't see any way around the scripture i

I posted

[Guest Teditis]

Thanks for the very detailed answer... I appreciate it.

[other one]

 

 

 

 

The first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

The first is "LORD" which is YHVH (YEHOVAH) and obviously refers to the Father since the second "Lord" is Adon which clearly refers to the Messiah. David appears to be making a distinction between these two beings. (Note the difference between LORD and Lord). Is YHVH the Father, or the Son? In Psalm 110:1 it is clear that YHVH has to be the Father. What about the rest of the Hebrew scriptures? Is YHVH the Father -- or the One who later became the Son?

YHVH, which is translated LORD throughout the Old Testament, refers to ONE God-Being -- as evidenced by the SINGULAR context of each usage of YHVH. The Hebrew scriptures proclaim that there is ONE GOD, and that God is YHVH (YEHOVAH). And, according to David in Psalm 110:1, YHVH MUST be the Father.

I’m more than happy to dive into Psalm 110:1 and show you how you have confused God’s name LORD with title word Lord.

I think I have to disagree..

The God of Israel isYehovah.

Ex 24:9-11

9 Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10 and they saw the God of Israel ; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11 Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank.

NASB

John 6:45-47

Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 "Not that any man has seen the Father , except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father . 4

NASB

The God of Israel is Yehovah..... 74 people saw him....... no one has seen the Father...... Yehovah can't be the Father.

JOHN 6:45-47 This teaching guards against the notion that one could know God by means of the Old Testament alone. The true revelation of God could come only from one, even from him "that is from God," which is Christ.

Further you open yourself up to some major scripture discrepancies

Ps. 2:2 - "the rulers take counsel together against Jehovah, and against his anointed [Messiah - compare Acts 4:24-27]" - ASV;

Ps. 2:7 - "I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee' [compare Acts 13:33,34]" - ASV;

Micah 5:2, 4 - "And he [Jesus] shall stand, and shall feed his flock ... in the majesty of the name of Jehovah his God." - ASV.

We also know that Jehovah is the Father, not the Son. Jehovah is never called "the Son," "the Messiah," "the only-begotten," "the firstborn," etc. But he is called the Father: "O Jehovah, thou art our Father" - Is. 64:8 ASV (compare Is. 63:16; Jer. 3:19, 20; Deut. 32:6; Ps. 89:26, 27).

"Father,.... This is eternal life to know thee who alone art truly God..." - Jn 17:1, 3, NEB. Cf. Ps. 86:6, 10; Is. 45:5, 6, 21, 22.

l don't see any way around the scripture i

I posted

 

 

Your ignoring what I posted

 

and you mine.  You're playing with words and I'm looking at hard evidence that people saw Yahweh, and Jesus says no one has seen the Father.....      I don't see any way of getting past that.    Yahweh is the God of Israel and people saw him and no one has seen the father so either Yahweh is not the Father or Jesus or Moses told us an untruth or the Bibe has contradictions that make it untrustworthy.  Take your pick.

[Persuaded]

The Bible says all three persons of the godhead are responsible for the creation:

 

Creation, by Jesus:

John 1 (which I think I've read elsewhere that you dispute, using a novel approach, differently than the JW's rather unimaginative insertion of the article "a" in front of "God". But still, their company is not one I'd join lightly.)

 

[Heb 1:1-2 NKJV] God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,

has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

 

[Col 1:16 NKJV] For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

 

Creation, by the Holy Spirit:

[Psa 104:30 NKJV] You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; And You renew the face of the earth.

 

Creation, by the Father/Jehovah:

[Psa 33:6 KJV] By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

 

 

Other instances where the Son is spoken of as YHWH:

 

Hebrews 1 quotes Psalms that speak of both elohiym and YHWH, and attribute both as referring to the Son.

 

Philippians 2, the kenosis:

[Phl 2:5-11 NKJV] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, [and] coming in the likeness of men.

And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to [the point of] death, even the death of the cross.

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,

and [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

To whom shall every knee bow? Isaiah 45 (and Romans 14:11)  tells us emphatically that it is the LORD, YHWH.

 

 

Who is the first and last, the alpha and omega? Is it the Father, or the Son? Or do they both make the claim?

 

[Rev 1:8 NKJV] "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

[Rev 1:11 NKJV] saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send [it] to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

[Rev 21:6 NKJV] And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

[Rev 22:13 NKJV] "I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End, the First and the Last."

[Rev 2:8 NKJV] "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, 'These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:

 

 

And "doubting" Thomas' expression on seeing Christ in His resurrection body; "My Lord and my God". I suspect he said it in shame and awe. We all will say that phrase some day: perhaps with adoration, or with shame, or outright terror.

[Guest Teditis]

Nicely written Persuaded!