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Because man needed a choice.  God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree and they would not have.  However, the devil only had to suggest to Eve, who then convinced Adam that it was acceptable to eat the fruit, this gave them a choice. 

 

To choose between their love and obedience for God, as the angels also did in heaven.  Hence those who sinned in heaven were cast out, as was Adam and Eve cast from the Garden of Eden.

 

This is why i believe God did not destroy the devil.  The devil was the tool used to initialise the first choice of freewill in man. 

 

Man may not have rebelled if the devil did not exist, but then, freewill in man would not exist either. 

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Why has God allow the devil to continue ?

I believe that God could take Satan out anytime he chose and stop all this madness 

when satan sin in heaven first why did God allow him in the garden of eden and not prevent him from going there 

 

Why has God allow the devil to continue ?  Why did not God kill the devil the moment he sin ?

Because God has and had other "future" plans in which the devil will play a part in. When those future plans are finally fulfilled then the devil and the wicked angels that rebelled with him will get their due punishment. Sometimes having patience is a hard thing living in this wicked world with all of it's hazards and sufferings. But we as believers must as James said "let patience have her perfect work" when our faith is being tried because we shall reap everlasting life if we faint not. It gets weary I know listening to the news and all the violence and killing and the uncertainty going on around us and we just scratch our heads in disbelief utterly astounded at the depth of depravity some people will go to in their wickedness apart from the God of the Bible. Sometimes our personal lives are touched with death of loved ones, depression and longing to be free and all of it sometimes makes us ask the "why" questions.

Why didn't God deal with Satan right from the start when he rebelled against God whenever he was lifted up in his pride. Why did God delay the punishment of Satan from the start. But we have to remember and always trust in the plan and will of God which we have been given which is the written word of God and all of it will come to pass in due season and in God's chosen order of things. Even if we do not have all the answers to everything and all the answers to all the "why" questions. Being believers we have to walk in and live by faith we must simply trust and obey the "part" that we have been given. That part in which we have been given in this life will one day pass away and we will know in full. There will be no dying there, no heartache, murder, terrorists, hatred, no sin whatsoever, no crying, no more suffering of any kind, no more devil(yes and amen) to tempt the hearts of man, no demons or wicked angels in the kingdom of darkness, no more spiritual warfare with Satan and his army for they will be brought down and destroyed and burn "forever" in the lake of fire.

Take comfort from the words in scripture and know for a certainty the devil will have his end it will come to pass. Jesus told his disciples his followers when speaking and given the signs of the end-time events that will take place in the earth and he said that when all these things comes to pass "the end is not yet". But the end will come but it will be according to God's plans and in his time. God is Soveriegn and he knows far better than we what he is doing and why he is doing it the way he has chosen to do it that way. HE understands his own plans in full we only know in part. But all the promises of God are yes and amen and God is not slack concerning his promises there will be a new heaven and new earth the former shall pass away and behold the new shall come. Eye hath not seen nor ear hath heard of all of what God has got layed up in store for us. We must be patient in waiting for it because the trying of our faith will come out as "precious gold" and in due season we shall reap everlasting life. It may look and seem like sometimes the devil has gotten away with things but it isn't true for in "due season" he will come to his prophesied end foretold to us in the scripture.

 

Does God know the end from the beginning ? why did He make something that He knew would rebel in the first place ?

 

 

Often the answer is, it's a mystery. Like the scripture in Isaiah. My thoughts are not your thoughts, etc... Perhaps a way for the scribes of the time to explain the unexplainable. God being omniscient and having designed all things to happen for his glory and by his will as creator, how does Satan's rebellion come as a surprise?

And why would God let him and his angels live? When humans are cast into Hell for eternity for not repenting of their sins. Satan leads a war against God in Heaven and is cast to a new earth to be the lord there. With all the powers God bestows so he and his minions cast down with him can end paradise for the first humans and be a burden to our lives all our days.

 

I saw a tee shirt the other day that I have to admit was impacting. I copied it down because the guy was sitting at the yogurt shop a table over from us.

"Book of Job - Because God loves you so much he will kill everyone you love, take everything you own, and give you painful diseases just so he can win a bet with the Devil."


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Hi ^J^,

 

That t-shirt message is so wrong, isn`t it. `...just so God can win a bet with the devil?` That person does not know the cross & what it cost God - His only Son.

 

What a shock to see that. And isn`t it like the devil to twist & distort God`s true character. A liar from the beginning is he.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.


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I think the story shows how much God trusted Job...    and in the end he did get all his stuff back.....   well except his kids...   but then again they were just off partying.....     probably in the middle of the week instead of working...


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Hi ^J^,

 

That t-shirt message is so wrong, isn`t it. `...just so God can win a bet with the devil?` That person does not know the cross & what it cost God - His only Son.

 

What a shock to see that. And isn`t it like the devil to twist & distort God`s true character. A liar from the beginning is he.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.

It makes for an interesting visit to the yogurt shop that's for sure.

 

I'd presume they were atheist though I have no direct knowledge of that.


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As was said, all of this is God's perfect plan.  The devil cannot be killed as God created him to be eternal.  There is a lot of madness in the world and it's only going to get worse until Jesus returns and makes things right.  God will not take away our free will so humans will continue to do as they please.  We, His believers have to be patient keep our eyes on Him, trust Him, and know that in the end God will win the war in fact He has already won it.

 

Because He Lives! Rustyangel


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Only God is eternal. Not Satan.


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Only God is eternal. Not Satan.

as I understand it we are all eternal.......   just spending it in different places...


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In matters of Satan he is not eternal.


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In matters of Satan he is not eternal.

How long is he going to be in hell???

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