Harmful effects of the gay marriages in the society

[Guest shiloh357]

Risen from this truth lies the question- How can I love another as I love myself and

keep more for myself by denying it to others when it is in my control to do otherwise?

God is not mocked and clearly states

Matt 7:2

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with

what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

KJV

 

Could you imagine trying to run a business if you pay your employees the same amount as yourself?   Your business would fail.  Your profit margin would be non-existent. Nothing in Scripture demands that I have to make everyone equal to myself.   There is no command in Scripture to alleviate poverty.  Christians are  under no moral or biblical obligation to eradicate poverty in this world.

 

I agree with Jade that you are promoting a socialistic value system, not a biblical value system. 

 

Sorry, but fraud as a particular definition and no amount of trying to spin off a different definition of fraud is going to work.  Fraud is intentional deception, as I have explained above.  Nothing you have said or could say in opposition to that will change the truth.

[enoob57]

Could you imagine trying to run a business if you pay your employees the same amount as yourself?   Your business would fail.  Your profit margin would be non-existent.

If you were obedient to the verse you so cleverly skirted-> giving to others is the same as giving to yourself...

Agreed not according to flesh and this worlds system but it is to God! Jn 3:16 as the example of

giving and if God be in us so also won't God give us as in His Son while in His own body SO NOW IN US? As you have said

in this hostile world people will abuse me so I must protect myself and my business so I can live now

Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life

dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy,

and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to

testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Rev 12:11

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by

the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives

unto the death.

KJV

I'm sorry but it seems to me you are adjusting Scripture to your comfort zone... and using the world

you have been first born into as an example that is acceptable to live by(~)

 

Nothing in Scripture demands that I have to make everyone equal to myself.   There is no command in Scripture to alleviate poverty.  Christians are  under no moral or biblical obligation to eradicate poverty in this world.

It must be an uncomfortable place to stand so near to Scripture and close

your heart to the needs of others around you.

 

I agree with Jade that you are promoting a socialistic value system, not a biblical value system.

Communism, socialism, capitalism are all born out of a system of the rule of satan and none

are as the The Son will rule, born out from God, to teach other system not yet here! If this place

is a place of shadow how is it that you feel so confident in proclaiming clear sight in it's systems? Rather Col 3

 

Sorry, but fraud as a particular definition and no amount of trying to spin off a different definition of fraud is going to work.  Fraud is intentional deception, as I have explained above.  Nothing you have said or could say in opposition to that will change the truth.

The religious rulers of Jesus' day had the same blindness they thought they could think of lust

and enjoy it in their minds but not practice it and be holy toward God... We know the Lord

straightened that out Matt 5:28 ... however you seem to not glean the

depth of Spiritual truth in this that all manner of truth is without boundary and fraud is the

kernel of lie- It is the presentation of something that is not and that presentation in endless and

various ways that can be presented for lies have the endless truth of God to work off of->Till

judgment and their being put away forever- praise God's Holy Name in this hope! As far as

"Nothing you have said or could say in opposition to that will change the truth" - truth as to

how God proclaims and you have Lazarus' account to verify what I have said and it is the

Word of Jesus' who said them! So then this -did God expect the rich man to care for Lazarus?

Love, Steven

Edited December 9, 2014 by enoob57

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Could you imagine trying to run a business if you pay your employees the same amount as yourself?   Your business would fail.  Your profit margin would be non-existent.

If you were obedient to the verse you so cleverly skirted-> giving to others is the same as giving to yourself...

 

I am not skirting around any Scripture.   It's basic economic mathematics.  No employer pays his employees the same as he gets.  You can't do that and run a business.  You would not have a profit margin and with no profit margin you can't buy supplies, pay taxes, or any other expenses and overhead a company has to pay. 

 

It is not fraud to pay your employees less, no matter how you want to paint it.   Fraud is simply misrepresentation. It is deception.

[JustinM]

Christians should advise people against engaging in homosexuality because it is immoral to us and very harmful to homosexuals.

 

But, we can't expect heathens to behave like Christians.  Christianity is a personal choice that everyone has to make.  I believe it to be hipocritical for Christians to be homosexuals, divorcees, liars, thieves, and adulterers, etc.  So long as those problems exist within the Church, the heathens will see us as having no moral credibility.

 

But, if someone hasn't chosen to be and live as a Christian, what are we supposed to do to them?  We can't make them become Christians, or live by our values/morality.  God gave us the Commandments, not to control our behavior, but to trust Him, be at peace with one another, and to protect us from harm.  Morality is about self preservation, so that we may live an abundant, healthy and joyful life, so we can praise God for His blessings.

 

I am not promoting homosexuality or any kind of immorality with my statements.  But, a time comes when we have the shake the dust off our feet and seek out people that want to be saved and let the heathens celebrate their rebellious behavior, for however long it will last.

 

I just wish they'd leave our businesses, children, and churches alone.

[enoob57]

I am not skirting around any Scripture.   It's basic economic mathematics.

economics born out from where Shiloh?

 

No employer pays his employees the same as he gets.  You can't do that and run a business.  You would not have a profit margin and with no profit margin you can't buy supplies, pay taxes, or any other expenses and overhead a company has to pay.

So you take a system where it makes it impossible to love others as much as you love

yourself and then rest in that system as right even though it does not logically fit

the Scripture? Wouldn't your foundation then be upon the system rather than on the

Scipture?

 

It is not fraud to pay your employees less, no matter how you want to paint it.   Fraud is simply misrepresentation. It is deception.

Exactly misrepresentation like when I say I love other as myself and do this

James 2:16-17

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;

notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;

what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

KJV

Fraud 'IS' his more and their less as equally loving, in ones own mind, others as

himself... Here the rich man will lie as judged for eternal damnation because God

did expect him to take Lazarus into his bosom and love him and care for him. 

      The problem your having mathematically is the equality of righteousness

found in Christ's temptations and the lessons gained. Simply put it is "BEING"

fully invested in Spirit and not in tflesh... For us it is having a mind that takes all

that is experienced by first birth and counting it as dung to that of Second Born

realities to the life that is not yet here as though it were... and yes you will suffer

and be called a fool and no one will hear your w(W)ords because it is to difficult to

walk. Yet it is the walk of dead men to this world finding life that is eternally sound

and reasonable to everlasting life as taught in The Gospel of our Lord...

Love, Steven

[Guest Teditis]

Christians should advise people against engaging in homosexuality because it is immoral to us and very harmful to homosexuals.

 

But, we can't expect heathens to behave like Christians.  Christianity is a personal choice that everyone has to make.  I believe it to be hipocritical for Christians to be homosexuals, divorcees, liars, thieves, and adulterers, etc.  So long as those problems exist within the Church, the heathens will see us as having no moral credibility.

 

But, if someone hasn't chosen to be and live as a Christian, what are we supposed to do to them?  We can't make them become Christians, or live by our values/morality.  God gave us the Commandments, not to control our behavior, but to trust Him, be at peace with one another, and to protect us from harm.  Morality is about self preservation, so that we may live an abundant, healthy and joyful life, so we can praise God for His blessings.

 

I am not promoting homosexuality or any kind of immorality with my statements.  But, a time comes when we have the shake the dust off our feet and seek out people that want to be saved and let the heathens celebrate their rebellious behavior, for however long it will last.

 

I just wish they'd leave our businesses, children, and churches alone.

 

Exactly this^.

 

I would add that homosexuality is clearly sinful behavior but I don't see it as anything

more or less sinful as any other sin. And that when it is "in the world" it's just another of

the lies that the Enemy gets people to follow. It's not our business how people sin and how

the heathens operate in their world under their Prince of darkness. Our's is merely the job

of bringing Light and being salt... not condemnation.

I wish that "they" wouldn't change the American zeitgeist either... but they are, and so we

must adjust. But "gay bashing" should be viewed with the same eye as RCC bashing...

Christian's need not be bashing anyone.

 

Now, when it's in the Church, it's to be dealt with as Scripture leads us... and then in Love,

for it should be our desire to lead brothers and sisters out of bondage. not rid them of some

heinous blight and require them to wear signs and ring a bell. They're not lepers.

God is the one that heals... He's the miracle worker, we're the servants that bring Him the

sick like the group that ripped off a roof and lowered their friend on ropes. (Mark 2:1-12)

[Guest Teditis]

 

I am not skirting around any Scripture.   It's basic economic mathematics.

economics born out from where Shiloh?

 

No employer pays his employees the same as he gets.  You can't do that and run a business.  You would not have a profit margin and with no profit margin you can't buy supplies, pay taxes, or any other expenses and overhead a company has to pay.

So you take a system where it makes it impossible to love others as much as you love

yourself and then rest in that system as right even though it does not logically fit

the Scripture? Wouldn't your foundation then be upon the system rather than on the

Scipture?

 

It is not fraud to pay your employees less, no matter how you want to paint it.   Fraud is simply misrepresentation. It is deception.

Exactly misrepresentation like when I say I love other as myself and do this

James 2:16-17

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;

notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;

what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

KJV

Fraud 'IS' his more and their less as equally loving, in ones own mind, others as

himself... Here the rich man will lie as judged for eternal damnation because God

did expect him to take Lazarus into his bosom and love him and care for him. 

      The problem your having mathematically is the equality of righteousness

found in Christ's temptations and the lessons gained. Simply put it is "BEING"

fully invested in Spirit and not in tflesh... For us it is having a mind that takes all

that is experienced by first birth and counting it as dung to that of Second Born

realities to the life that is not yet here as though it were... and yes you will suffer

and be called a fool and no one will hear your w(W)ords because it is to difficult to

walk. Yet it is the walk of dead men to this world finding life that is eternally sound

and reasonable to everlasting life as taught in The Gospel of our Lord...

Love, Steven

 

 

Beautifully said Enoob.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

I am not skirting around any Scripture.   It's basic economic mathematics.

economics born out from where Shiloh?

 

Economics is how we work in this world.   You have to balance your household budget, right?  You have to manage a balance between your outcome and your outgo.  That's economics.  You can't have more money going out than you have coming in.   It's basic economics.  it is how we all operate in this world.  Businesses operate that way too. 

 

 

So you take a system where it makes it impossible to love others as much as you love

yourself and then rest in that system as right even though it does not logically fit

the Scripture? Wouldn't your foundation then be upon the system rather than on the

Scipture?

 

How does the system make it impossible for you to love your neighbor as yourself?   Loving your neighbor doesn't mean that I have to bankrupt my business in order to make you as rich as I am. 

 

You are taking a biblical text and misapplying it.  If every business did what you appear to be suggesting, namely paying their employees the same rate as the owners of the business, there would be no jobs in the this country.  

 

If I hire someone to to work at a certain wage, then how am I not loving my neighbor.  Sorry, but your application of the text is flawed and frankly, it's ridiculous.  

 

 

It is not fraud to pay your employees less, no matter how you want to paint it.   Fraud is simply misrepresentation. It is deception.

 

 

Exactly misrepresentation like when I say I love other as myself and do this

James 2:16-17

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;

notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;

what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

KJV

 

 

 

Wrong again... that is not fraud. That is moral indifference to a person's needs.

 

Fraud is when you pay for goods or services that you end up not receiving.  It's like way back when people would join a fitness center that just came into town and a month later, the gym goes "out of business" and suddenly goes off the grid with people's money who paid for year but only got a month's worth of use.  THAT's fraud.   You obviously don't have a clue on what fraud actually entails.

 

The problem your having mathematically is the equality of righteousness

found in Christ's temptations and the lessons gained.

 

That sentence makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever.  You might want to check your syntax...

 

 

Simply put it is "BEING"  fully invested in Spirit and not in tflesh... For us it is having a mind that takes all

that is experienced by first birth and counting it as dung to that of Second Born

realities to the life that is not yet here as though it were...

 

That is a rather huge misrepresentation of what Paul actually said.  Paul said that he counted everything he had gained as "dung" in comparison to knowing Christ.  Paul was comparing all of his merits and honors and academic achievements as worthless compared to his relationship with Jesus.

 

Nowhere in the Bible are we told to take everything in this world and count it has dung.  Quite the opposite.  This world was given to us to enjoy.  It's the sinful aspects of the world's system that we are not to participate in.

 

and yes you will suffer

and be called a fool and no one will hear your w(W)ords because it is to difficult to

walk. Yet it is the walk of dead men to this world finding life that is eternally sound

and reasonable to everlasting life as taught in The Gospel of our Lord...

Love, Steven

 

None of that has any bearing on simply operating within the parameters of the matrix of economics that everyone, including every Christian ministry in the world operates by.  You need to lose the hyper-spirituality and come back to reality.

[Zemke]

One of the effects gay acceptance has on a society is sensualization. The foundation of any gay argument is emotion. As Paul wrote in Romans of people acting on instinct , like unreasoning animals.

 

You know, listen to your heart, your gut, don't look at the facts what are you feeling?

 

Like a carpet salesman lawyer in the court room. All they got most of the time is to sway the jury with emotion. The hardest part of a lawyer holding the truth is to convince the jury to be reasonable and do their job by paying attention to the facts. 

 

It seems everything these days has an emotional hook and sadly we are all conditioned to some degree to expect it and desire it. It's fine when you want to be sucked into a novel or movie or romance but reality gets messed up quick basing everything on emotion. 

 

 

[enoob57]

None of that has any bearing on simply operating within the parameters of the matrix of economics that everyone, including every Christian ministry in the world operates by.  You need to lose the hyper-spirituality and come back to reality.

Isa 55:1

55 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money;

come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

KJV

I believe your under a delusion that because the world does a thing it is acceptable to God...

Your whole world view of economics is dissolved by the economics of The Lord which is coming.

The entirety of the world system can find no place in what will be that is why it will be

burnt up... Love, Steven