The Great Flood and the Foundations of the Earth

[archaeologist55]

If you have seen video footage of tsunamis, you will notice that the actual speed and depth of water is relatively slow and shallow, and yet this body of water continues inland and even up hill as if there were no gravity. What is more the amount of debris does not seem to hinder this progress.

you really do not know what you are talking about.  One ancient wave, from thera, was estimated at being over 100 feet high, possibly 800 i would have to check, and went faster than the wave that hit Japan recently. 

 

what really bothers me are people who claim to be christian yet do not have a clue as to what they are talking about.

[MorningGlory]

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

Try as I will, I cannot get the underlined sentences  (in blue) to make sense. 

[Kan]

If you have seen video footage of tsunamis, you will notice that the actual speed and depth of water is relatively slow and shallow, and yet this body of water continues inland and even up hill as if there were no gravity. What is more the amount of debris does not seem to hinder this progress.

you really do not know what you are talking about.  One ancient wave, from thera, was estimated at being over 100 feet high, possibly 800 i would have to check, and went faster than the wave that hit Japan recently. 

 

what really bothers me are people who claim to be christian yet do not have a clue as to what they are talking about.

I wanted to use current video footage of tsunamis to illustrate some aspects water dynamics on a larger scale. My comments were consistent with observable evidence. I was not making a statement of all tsunamis and all water dynamics, although the principles are universal, regardless of scale and speed. No doubt a larger and faster wave would be far more devastating. 

[Kan]

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

Try as I will, I cannot get the underlined sentences  (in blue) to make sense. 

You are certainly not the only one. Is it the way I put it or the concept itself?

[Kan]

God made man in His own image,- an extremely intelligent person. People don't know that Adam already knew every facet of science that we have today. 

there is no record verifying this idea and it is preposterous.  you need to back up your statements with credible, verifiable, legitimate sources and stop making nonsensical statements that have no hope of being true.

Test it with scripture. The book above all books.

If we take into account people like King Solomon, who was considered to be one of the wisest men on earth, we can learn from his writings what intelligence/wisdom is, and where it comes from. The men of modern science know nothing of what people in the past did...

 

[archaeologist55]

God made man in His own image,- an extremely intelligent person. People don't know that Adam already knew every facet of science that we have today. 

there is no record verifying this idea and it is preposterous.  you need to back up your statements with credible, verifiable, legitimate sources and stop making nonsensical statements that have no hope of being true.

Test it with scripture. The book above all books.

If we take into account people like King Solomon, who was considered to be one of the wisest men on earth, we can learn from his writings what intelligence/wisdom is, and where it comes from. The men of modern science know nothing of what people in the past did...

 

I am trying to be as gentle as I can be but when anyone who knows their stuff reads your posts, they go away shaking their heads at the ignorance displayed by your words.

your current comment comes nowhere close to what you said previously and Solomon did not state that Adam had perfect knowledge of science or any subject. we really do not know what Adam knew or how much he knew.

[archaeologist55]

If you have seen video footage of tsunamis, you will notice that the actual speed and depth of water is relatively slow and shallow, and yet this body of water continues inland and even up hill as if there were no gravity. What is more the amount of debris does not seem to hinder this progress.

you really do not know what you are talking about.  One ancient wave, from thera, was estimated at being over 100 feet high, possibly 800 i would have to check, and went faster than the wave that hit Japan recently. 

 

what really bothers me are people who claim to be christian yet do not have a clue as to what they are talking about.

I wanted to use current video footage of tsunamis to illustrate some aspects water dynamics on a larger scale. My comments were consistent with observable evidence. I was not making a statement of all tsunamis and all water dynamics, although the principles are universal, regardless of scale and speed. No doubt a larger and faster wave would be far more devastating. 

actually they weren't.

[Kan]

Here is another interesting text. Speaking about the creation days - "When He gave to the sea His decree, that the waters should not pass His commandment: when He appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:29.

The waters are under a command from God not to pass their boundaries. And it is interesting that in the same text, it mentions the foundations of the earth. So water and the earth are tied together. We find that before the flood, it never rained, but the earth was somehow watered by springs and mists from under the ground.

It is obvious that when the flood occurred that this system collapsed and has left us with a lot of trapped water in the rocks, and underground lakes and rivers.

And during the flood the waters passed their boundaries and overflowed the world as Peter says.

Edited September 23, 2015 by Kan

[SavedOnebyGrace]

The Bible says that the waters prevailed over the earth and above the highest mountain.

 

Today we have the Himalayan mountains as the tallest in the world, did the waters cover these?

According to the Bible yes.

 

Were there higher mountains than Everest in the pre flood world? Apparently yes, according to some writings and traditions.

 

But that does not leave us with a greater challenge to find out how they were covered, because if it can be done with Everest, why not a higher one?

 

The concept of the water level rising uniformly world over, is not necessarily the case, but persisted on by so called science which subsequently denies the flood, and yet even today the oceans are not spread out uniformly in level, they differ by as much as 100 meters, which is about fifty times the depth of a tide.

 

Does anyone want to have a go at explaining that? because the answer will tell us something about the behavior of water on a large scale which occurred during the flood.

 

 

What Science Doesn't Know

 

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

 

A clinical interview with a bright student reveals a common misconception about how shells were embedded into the rocks on the top of Mount Everest: the sea level was much higher in the past. While it is true that sea level varies over geologic time, scientist Britt Argow describes the current scientific interpretation of the Mount Everest fossil shells. She claims that plate tectonic activity—the collision of the Indian Plate with the Asian Plate 40 million years ago—pushed former seafloor skyward, creating the Himalayan mountain range. Featured Scientist: Keith Klepeis, Ph.D. http://www.learner.org/series/modules/express/pages/scimod_32.html

 

God Does

 

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Genesis 7:11

I've always had a problem where the water came from and where it went.  That's why I previously embraced Noah's Flood as a large local flood covering the Mediterranean and Black Seas because the people of that time did not understand the concept of a round Earth.  The same word is used for land as earth which makes the understanding of a local flood possible.  And several books have been written about a large, but local flood in the area and well beyond.  But this science news has given me cause to re-evaluate this position.  Of course, the Gap Theory supports a global flood before Genesis 1:2 and man's creation, that could be the cause of all kinds of life remnants finding its way to the tops of the highest mountains.

[Guest shiloh357]

A local flood would make no sense given God's purpose for the flood.