Another "pre-sin" question

[Matthew T.]

 

Was reproduction part of the world prior to the fall?

 

 

Yes

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

 

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

And the evening and the morning were the third day. Genesis 1:11-13

 

Yes Life

 

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

 

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 1:21-23

 

Is Designed

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

 

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24-25

 

Into The Very Fabric Of Our LORD's Creation

 

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:27-28

 

From The Very 

 

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

 

Beginning

 

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It's Even "Scientific" For Any

 

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:20 (ESV)

 

Who Will Still Look And Record God's Creation

 

“But ask the animals, and they will teach you,

or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;

 

or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,

or let the fish in the sea inform you.

 

Which of all these does not know

that the hand of the Lord has done this?

 

In his hand is the life of every creature

and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:7-10 (NIV)

 

Surrounding Them

 

Heaven makes heard the glory of God and the firmament shows the work of his hands.

 

Day unto day pours forth speech; night unto night shows knowledge.

 

There is no speech nor words whose voice will not be heard.

 

Their Gospel* went forth into all the Earth, and their words into the end of the world; in them he pitched his tabernacle for the sun. Psalms 19:1-4 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

 

~

 

Believe

 

There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.

 

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

 

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

 

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

 

who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:9-13 (NASB)

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. John 5:25 (NIV)

 

Love, Joe

 

 

Ummmm... Period.

 

lol.

[manofGod]

Physical death is natural and preplanned by God. However its not what the world has conditioned us to believe it is. Death is a graduation, it should be celebrated and appreciated because we are going to a place even greater than out ability to comprehend. Even if the said person was unsaved their going to face Gods judgement and justice. If we love God and trust Him blindly as we profess than His judgement and justice is something we adore and rejoice over. Jesus didn't cry over lazureths death because he missed his friend, He cried because the people had no clue who He was and what His purpose was to accomplish. What is death to the author of life? What is darkness to the source of light? He had pity on Mary's ignorance and the misery she put herself through was disheartening to Him. Death is glorious, Hebrews tells us its our fear of death that keeps us in bondage.perfect love casts out all fear. When you abide in love there is no fear and your eyes will open to the reality that all things are a beautiful blessing from God. Before Christ we endured curses and condemnation for the chaos we love in and perpetuate, but since coming to Him and allowing Him to live through us, those same obstacles and disappointments we looked at as curses are now called chastisement and discipline that stems from Gods love for us.

[domenic]

Father created the earth for his pleasure. He created man to be the caretaker of it.  At night I look up into the heavens...the question: Is all I see the earth? Are we to expand into the stars, and also care for them also for Gods pleasure?

[other one]

Father created the earth for his pleasure. He created man to be the caretaker of it.  At night I look up into the heavens...the question: Is all I see the earth? Are we to expand into the stars, and also care for them also for Gods pleasure?

I have a question concerning why God created man..     Question is, "When did God decide to have mankind judge the angels?"

[Guest]

I have a question concerning why God created man..    

 

Question is, "When did God decide to have mankind judge the angels?"

 

 

Soon Beloved,

 

And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:14-15

 

Soon

 

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Romans 16:20

[Your closest friendnt]

I may say that when God lost some angels from heaven to the rebelious one, perhaps he wanted to create man, for more than one reason.

a) that eventualy have some children in heaven.that will remain with him forever and to make it impossible to be taken from him by the rebellious one, because they are their not with their own rightsneounesh but with his.

b) to eventualy also judge the rebellious one who was holding the humanity captive.

c) so he could be glorified having triouphing upon the rebellious one and receive his glory in heaven.

It seams from the beginning was some rivalry between the two of them, that had to be settle.

Who would inherit the throne of God in the heaven and become the ruler.

I think that was not an inherited position and that would have to be earn.

[JohnD]

The "perfect" condition of Eden was at best a buffer between the two realities of eternal life and eternal death. A condition we exist in today though in a dying imperfect Eden now.

 

The implications are staggering of the existence in Perfect Eden of the two trees (the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil) of destiny, gateways to either eternity.

 

God warned man about the tree of death. As far as the scriptures read, he did not even tell man about the tree of life††. And to keep man's fallen nature from being made eternal (the fate of the fallen angels, btw), God banished man from access to the tree of life and set a guard (an angel with a flaming sword)... the world's first Jedi Knight.  

 

Was procreation prepped and raring to go?

 

Yes.

 

But until the fall, it was unnecessary.

 

God knew the fall would take place soon.

 

†† Warning Adam about the tree of death was also to bring his attention to it. Curiosity killed more than the cat. I interpret (meaning I may be completely wrong) that to be a nudge to kick start a greater purpose God had in mind. That from the very beginning what was done down here was intended to affect "heavenly places." That what began in the spirit realm has been / is / will be resolved in this realm. In my foolish feeble mind, I imagine it is nothing more than to show to the spirit realm that God is more than just, more than fair... remember the angels who sinned just once did so in their eternal state and are irredeemably condemned since they cannot die. To create a race of beings that can be redeemed to prove God is just and fair required this immense universe we are just now discovering how big it really is.

 

Remember too that the Creator of all things created in the beginning paid the greatest price becoming one of us and laid down that life to pay the redemption price for all mankind... all we have to do is believe to claim that redemption.   

[Shane111]

hi

[KPaulG]

Welcome, Shane.

 

God Bless you.

 

Your brother in Christ,

KPaulG.

[oldzimm]

 

 

Was reproduction part of the world prior to the fall?

 

 

Yes

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

 

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

And the evening and the morning were the third day. Genesis 1:11-13

 

Yes Life

 

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

 

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 1:21-23

 

Is Designed

 

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

 

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24-25

 

Into The Very Fabric Of Our LORD's Creation

 

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:27-28

 

From The Very 

 

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

 

Beginning

 

~

 

It's Even "Scientific" For Any

 

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:20 (ESV)

 

Who Will Still Look And Record God's Creation

 

“But ask the animals, and they will teach you,

or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;

 

or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,

or let the fish in the sea inform you.

 

Which of all these does not know

that the hand of the Lord has done this?

 

In his hand is the life of every creature

and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:7-10 (NIV)

 

Surrounding Them

 

Heaven makes heard the glory of God and the firmament shows the work of his hands.

 

Day unto day pours forth speech; night unto night shows knowledge.

 

There is no speech nor words whose voice will not be heard.

 

Their Gospel* went forth into all the Earth, and their words into the end of the world; in them he pitched his tabernacle for the sun. Psalms 19:1-4 (Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

 

~

 

Believe

 

There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.

 

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

 

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

 

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

 

who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:9-13 (NASB)

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. John 5:25 (NIV)

 

Love, Joe

 

 

Ummmm... Period.

 

lol.

 

Joe you took my thoughts for this thread right out of my brain, Well I mean out of Genesis, well I guess I should say we were on the same wavelength, well you know what I mean.

 

Oldzimm out, LOL