Will there be mansions in heaven?

[His Ambassador]

 

I would like to say I'm surprised this conversation has gone on this long but I'm really not because I know we have trouble letting go of our fairy tales.  As I told you in my previous post if you want to know where we will spend Eternity read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21.  That makes it clear that our eternal home is NOT Heaven.

"Technically" our eternal home is in the New Jerusalem, which eventually comes down from Heaven. The New Jerusalem is presently in Heaven. So for all practical purposes the two are in such close proximity that we need not split hairs. Not sure what you mean by "fairy tales", but whether we say "Heaven" or "heavenly city" I believe we are all referring to the same place.  What we are NOT referring to is niggardly "rooms" in such a spacious city (which would volumetrically equal all the inhabited regions of the earth, since it is a cubic city).

 

If you read the Scripture I suggested you will see that our eternal home is on the New Earth.  And there is no Scripture saying that the New Jerusalem lands on Earth it says it comes down out of Heaven.  The fairy tale is that we will spend eternity in Heaven.

 

[Ezra]

If you read the Scripture I suggested you will see that our eternal home is on the New Earth. And there is no Scripture saying that the New Jerusalem lands on Earth it says it comes down out of Heaven. The fairy tale is that we will spend eternity in Heaven.

You seem to have forgotten that Christ spoke of "the Father's house", which can only be in Heaven (Jn 14:1-3).  So we should stick with the words of the Lord.

 

The New Earth is for redeemed and restored Israel and the redeemed nations who will surround Israel.  But just as Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God (Heb 11:10), believers also look for that same city New Jerusalem, since that is the home of the Lamb's Wife.

 

Scripture does NOT say that New Jerusalem will come down to earth, but rather Jerusalem on earth will be redeemed and restored and become the centre of worship.  However New Jerusalem will "hover" over the earth and give light to it. And this will be the eternal home of the Church. 

[Marilyn C]

`God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.` (Heb. 11: 40)

[His Ambassador]

 

If you read the Scripture I suggested you will see that our eternal home is on the New Earth. And there is no Scripture saying that the New Jerusalem lands on Earth it says it comes down out of Heaven. The fairy tale is that we will spend eternity in Heaven.

You seem to have forgotten that Christ spoke of "the Father's house", which can only be in Heaven (Jn 14:1-3).  So we should stick with the words of the Lord.

 

The New Earth is for redeemed and restored Israel and the redeemed nations who will surround Israel.  But just as Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God (Heb 11:10), believers also look for that same city New Jerusalem, since that is the home of the Lamb's Wife.

 

Scripture does NOT say that New Jerusalem will come down to earth, but rather Jerusalem on earth will be redeemed and restored and become the centre of worship.  However New Jerusalem will "hover" over the earth and give light to it. And this will be the eternal home of the Church. 

 

So the vision God gave John is a lie?

 

[Kan]

I would like to say I'm surprised this conversation has gone on this long but I'm really not because I know we have trouble letting go of our fairy tales.  As I told you in my previous post if you want to know where we will spend Eternity read the last part of Rev. 20 and the first part of 21.  That makes it clear that our eternal home is NOT Heaven.

 

Quite right, as far as I have read in the Bible anyway.

 

Our eternal home is this earth when and where the heavenly city will settle.

 

All the differing views posted in this thread have actually encouraged me, because you all honor God by believing He is "a rewarder of those who seek Him." So I don't want to be too dogmatic about my views - anymore.

[Guest Butero]

The saints are not in paradise.  They were in paradise, but they were taken to heaven.  They were in paradise until the resurrection.  Jesus went to paradise and preached there and then the saints were taken to heaven.  Hell remains in the heart of the earth.  The Bible tells us to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.  The Lord is not in paradise.  He is at the right hand of the Father in heaven.  Remember Stephen's vision in Acts? 

 

New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the saints.  It will come down from heaven at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. 

[Ezra]

The saints are not in paradise.  They were in paradise, but they were taken to heaven.  They were in paradise until the resurrection. 

Paradise (and the tree of life) were evidently transferred to the New Jerusalem at some time.  Please note Rev 2:7 and 22:2, both of which mention the tree of life:

 

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

 

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

We are not told when Paradise was transferred to the New Jerusalem, just as we are not told when the Ark of the Covenant (Testament) was transferred to the Temple in Heaven (Rev 11:19).  The tree of life will play an important role in eternity.

[Ezra]

 

 

If you read the Scripture I suggested you will see that our eternal home is on the New Earth. And there is no Scripture saying that the New Jerusalem lands on Earth it says it comes down out of Heaven. The fairy tale is that we will spend eternity in Heaven.

You seem to have forgotten that Christ spoke of "the Father's house", which can only be in Heaven (Jn 14:1-3).  So we should stick with the words of the Lord.

 

The New Earth is for redeemed and restored Israel and the redeemed nations who will surround Israel.  But just as Abraham looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God (Heb 11:10), believers also look for that same city New Jerusalem, since that is the home of the Lamb's Wife.

 

Scripture does NOT say that New Jerusalem will come down to earth, but rather Jerusalem on earth will be redeemed and restored and become the centre of worship.  However New Jerusalem will "hover" over the earth and give light to it. And this will be the eternal home of the Church. 

 

So the vision God gave John is a lie?

 

 

Why would anyone arrive at such a conclusion? John does not say that the heavenly city comes down to earth.  He simply says it comes down "out of heaven" (Rev 21:2) and "descending out of heaven from God" (Rev 21:10) and then goes on to say that "the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it" (Rev 21:24).  That is similar to humans today walking on earth in the light of the sun.  The earth will need a source of light in eternity, and that source will be the New Jerusalem, where God the Father and the Lamb are the light of it (Rev 21:23).

[Marilyn C]

Hi Ezra,

 

I agree with you in regard to the placement of the New Jerusalem over the earth. God made different areas for His purpose & each will have His government in the ages to come.

 

Marilyn.

[Guest]

The saints are not in paradise.  They were in paradise, but they were taken to heaven.  They were in paradise until the resurrection.  Jesus went to paradise and preached there and then the saints were taken to heaven.  Hell remains in the heart of the earth.  The Bible tells us to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.  The Lord is not in paradise.  He is at the right hand of the Father in heaven.  Remember Stephen's vision in Acts? 

 

New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the saints.  It will come down from heaven at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. 

 

 

Amen~!

 

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

 

Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

 

Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.

 

 

There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.

 

God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early. Psalms 46:1-5

 

And Amen~!

 

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

 

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 22:1-5