Are we little gods?

[angels4u]

 

 

I have heard people like Kenneth Copeland and his crowd make that statement, but I have never seen any scripture to back it up....   but then again, my view of what   "god" means is not necessarily what they or others are saying.

 

 

Born again Christians are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and that makes us special in the Universe.....    but to the level of deity......   it doesn't seem so to me.

 

 

 

Are we little gods?

 

No ,I am a sinner saved by grace

 

but you do have the Holy Spirit and that makes you more than just a plane old human...

 

1 Peter 2:9

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

[ayin jade]

A chosen people, indwelt by God, but not a god. We are not now, nor will ever be, gods. 

[By Faith]

but we are no more than human beings.  We are sinners, not gods.   We are redeemed sinners, but we are still sinners.

 

I would certainly stop sinning. If you need prayer, let me know.

 

 

Also, reading the Hell thread you had some amazing post, but now you claim your not immortal. Theos means deity of uncertain origin or immortal being. bit confused on your stance there. You don't believe we are spirits then? 

 

I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think they are exactly like the Only Lord God of Israel. Kenneth Copeland certainly does not preach that and I can only speak for him, not the others and to have Benny Hinn in the Same video makes me a at a loss for words. Benny is on his own planet, God bless him, but I don't get half of what He says.

 

Thing is, we don't just throw away scriptures because we don't like what someone teaches, that is just ignorant. We examine things, pray about it and weight it out. We also just don't take clips of things people said without taking everything they said, that is also childish, with no level of excellence. We need to demand more from ourselves because we represent the King of Kings. 

 

First, Kenneth does not believe we are all powerful like the only Lord God. He has never taught that. He teaches to obey God, and give your best for him. Kenneth hates Evolution, and teaches we are beings created with a purpose. This is why he brings up we are not some half a cut above a monkey, we are exactly like God. 

 

Which brings the question, How is a flesh human exactly like God?

 

God said let's create man in "OUR" image. The Worlds were made for the Lord Jesus, all things made through him and for him. So the term "OUR" would have to be Father and Son, not just Father. It really depends on if your a true Trinitarian, Modern Trinitarian, Modalist, Oneness or somewhere in between how you understand that.

 

 

Paul said let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus who thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Jesus said be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

James said man is created in the homoiōsis of God, Like, God, in resemblance to God.

 

Jesus said ye are gods............ There is a very good reason he said that.

 

We are born of the same Word Jesus was born from, Like Him, One in him. 

 

John said when He appears we will be Just like Jesus. 

 

We are God's offspring, each seed produces after it's own kind. 

 

So we don't throw away scriptures because we don't understand what someone else is saying. I don't care to explain it, Jesus made it pretty clear how we are like the Father in other verses. 

 

We are more than some sinner saved by grace, far more than that. We are not God the Father though, but we do have his emotions and a whole lot of other things. 

 

 

It would be best to study something out for ourselves, forget what others post or said. 

 

 

I personally Would not bring up the Little gods thing, it just throws people off, and I would rather people listen and not be offended before I get speaking.

 

 

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

The Mormon take is a little different.   They believe they will become a god and will rule their own personal universe.

 

I am talking about a doctrine that says we are little gods right now, today. 

You mean this?

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/little-gods.html

[missmuffet]

but we are no more than human beings.  We are sinners, not gods.   We are redeemed sinners, but we are still sinners.

Yes we are all sinners.

[missmuffet]

 

but we are no more than human beings.  We are sinners, not gods.   We are redeemed sinners, but we are still sinners.

 

I would certainly stop sinning. If you need prayer, let me know.

 

 

Also, reading the Hell thread you had some amazing post, but now you claim your not immortal. Theos means deity of uncertain origin or immortal being. bit confused on your stance there. You don't believe we are spirits then? 

 

I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think they are exactly like the Only Lord God of Israel. Kenneth Copeland certainly does not preach that and I can only speak for him, not the others and to have Benny Hinn in the Same video makes me a at a loss for words. Benny is on his own planet, God bless him, but I don't get half of what He says.

 

Thing is, we don't just throw away scriptures because we don't like what someone teaches, that is just ignorant. We examine things, pray about it and weight it out. We also just don't take clips of things people said without taking everything they said, that is also childish, with no level of excellence. We need to demand more from ourselves because we represent the King of Kings. 

 

First, Kenneth does not believe we are all powerful like the only Lord God. He has never taught that. He teaches to obey God, and give your best for him. Kenneth hates Evolution, and teaches we are beings created with a purpose. This is why he brings up we are not some half a cut above a monkey, we are exactly like God. 

 

Which brings the question, How is a flesh human exactly like God?

 

God said let's create man in "OUR" image. The Worlds were made for the Lord Jesus, all things made through him and for him. So the term "OUR" would have to be Father and Son, not just Father. It really depends on if your a true Trinitarian, Modern Trinitarian, Modalist, Oneness or somewhere in between how you understand that.

 

 

Paul said let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus who thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Jesus said be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

James said man is created in the homoiōsis of God, Like, God, in resemblance to God.

 

Jesus said ye are gods............ There is a very good reason he said that.

 

We are born of the same Word Jesus was born from, Like Him, One in him. 

 

John said when He appears we will be Just like Jesus. 

 

We are God's offspring, each seed produces after it's own kind. 

 

So we don't throw away scriptures because we don't understand what someone else is saying. I don't care to explain it, Jesus made it pretty clear how we are like the Father in other verses. 

 

We are more than some sinner saved by grace, far more than that. We are not God the Father though, but we do have his emotions and a whole lot of other things. 

 

 

It would be best to study something out for ourselves, forget what others post or said. 

 

 

I personally Would not bring up the Little gods thing, it just throws people off, and I would rather people listen and not be offended before I get speaking.

 

I think it is very important to bring up the little gods thing.We want everyone to know what lies Satan is spreading in the Christian community.The above statement you made is exactly what Satan wants us to do.... ignore it  "it just throws people off".

[Guest shiloh357]

By faith,

 

I you don't think you sin, you have a problem with Scripture, that's all I can say on that.  Where did I claim I am not immortal???  I am a regenerated person, a new creation.  I will live eternally.  I have never said anything contrary to that.  

 

Kenneth Copeland teaches that we are in the god-class. He teaches that God was reproducing Himself.  I have even have him saying so in the OP, if you listened to what he said.  He may not claim that we are all powerful, but he claims that we are reproductions of God, which is heretical and is not in Scripture.   The Bible never says that we are exactly like God.

 

To the contrary, the Bible says that there is NO ONE like Him.   "No one is like you, Lord.  You are great and your name is mighty in Power." (Jer. 10:6)   Is. 40:18, 25; 46:5,9 all declare that there is no one like God and that he is the only deity in the universe.

 

When Paul said that Jesus felt it was not robbery to be equal with God, Paul was saying that Jesus, though he was equal in deity with God the Father did not exploit his deity to his own advantage.   You need to check that out in the Greek.   the KJV does a very poor job of translating that verse in Phil. 2.

 

We are created in God's moral image, but not in His exact image.   You need to be careful how far you take that "image" thing.

 

Jesus did not say, "ye are gods."   You are ripping that from the context.    Jesus was quoting from Ps. 82:6.  The word for "god" is elohim and it is a word that, depending on the context refers to angels and to judges/magistrates.    Jesus was comparing the unrighteous judges mentioned in Ps. 82:6 with the corrupt Jewish leadership in John 10:34.   Jesus was not calling men "gods"  in the sense you are using that word. You need to study up a bit on exegesis.  

 

We are not born of the same "word" that Jesus was born of.   The Bible NEVER says that what you claim is theological heresy.

 

When Paul was saying that we are "his offspring"  in Acts. 17:28-29,   Paul was quoting a pagan poet and he was making a different point.  He was challenging the stoic pantheism and epicurean materialistic deism that was part of Greek philosophy.   He quoted the poet to make a didactic point that God was the creator and sustainer of the entire material universe including mankind.   The point the poet was making about us being the offspring of the gods was Paul used to make the case that God is the source of all life. 

 

Paul was not saying that we are offspring of God in the sense that we emanate from Him/His deity.  That would make us part of God and that would be pseudo pantheism.   So your argument that we are little gods runs into contradiction to the point Paul was trying to make with the Greek stoics there on Mars Hill.

 

So I am not throwing  away Scriptures.  I am showing why the notion that we are little gods is a heresy and is not part of the authentic new testament faith.   It is all part of a huge false gospel.

[By Faith]

By faith,

 

I you don't think you sin, you have a problem with Scripture, that's all I can say on that.  Where did I claim I am not immortal???  I am a regenerated person, a new creation.  I will live eternally.  I have never said anything contrary to that.  

 

Kenneth Copeland teaches that we are in the god-class. He teaches that God was reproducing Himself.  I have even have him saying so in the OP, if you listened to what he said.  He may not claim that we are all powerful, but he claims that we are reproductions of God, which is heretical and is not in Scripture.   The Bible never says that we are exactly like God.

 

To the contrary, the Bible says that there is NO ONE like Him.   "No one is like you, Lord.  You are great and your name is mighty in Power." (Jer. 10:6)   Is. 40:18, 25; 46:5,9 all declare that there is no one like God and that he is the only deity in the universe.

 

When Paul said that Jesus felt it was not robbery to be equal with God, Paul was saying that Jesus, though he was equal in deity with God the Father did not exploit his deity to his own advantage.   You need to check that out in the Greek.   the KJV does a very poor job of translating that verse in Phil. 2.

 

We are created in God's moral image, but not in His exact image.   You need to be careful how far you take that "image" thing.

 

Jesus did not say, "ye are gods."   You are ripping that from the context.    Jesus was quoting from Ps. 82:6.  The word for "god" is elohim and it is a word that, depending on the context refers to angels and to judges/magistrates.    Jesus was comparing the unrighteous judges mentioned in Ps. 82:6 with the corrupt Jewish leadership in John 10:34.   Jesus was not calling men "gods"  in the sense you are using that word. You need to study up a bit on exegesis.  

 

We are not born of the same "word" that Jesus was born of.   The Bible NEVER says that what you claim is theological heresy.

 

When Paul was saying that we are "his offspring"  in Acts. 17:28-29,   Paul was quoting a pagan poet and he was making a different point.  He was challenging the stoic pantheism and epicurean materialistic deism that was part of Greek philosophy.   He quoted the poet to make a didactic point that God was the creator and sustainer of the entire material universe including mankind.   The point the poet was making about us being the offspring of the gods was Paul used to make the case that God is the source of all life. 

 

Paul was not saying that we are offspring of God in the sense that we emanate from Him/His deity.  That would make us part of God and that would be pseudo pantheism.   So your argument that we are little gods runs into contradiction to the point Paul was trying to make with the Greek stoics there on Mars Hill.

 

So I am not throwing  away Scriptures.  I am showing why the notion that we are little gods is a heresy and is not part of the authentic new testament faith.   It is all part of a huge false gospel.

 

So we will be just like Jesus when he appears, yet not born of the "Same" Word? What other word is there?

 

Also, Paul is quoting something Pagan and not speaking by the Holy Spirit?

 

Jesus also said, Ye are gods, yet you claim he did not say that.

 

There is nobody like the creator, One Lord God. I agree with that. Without God we are lost, and not anything close to being a self sufficient immortal being (Theos) of our own. I agree. Yet your twisting scriptures up here to avoid seeing what we are. We are more like the Father than anything he ever created. 

 

 I can quote you Psalm 82, God stands in the congregation of the el's and judges among the gods. I said ye are all the Children of the most High (gods) but you shall die like one of he princes (Satan) 

 

you don't get what Jesus was saying to them, and why He responded the way He did. We are in the Immortal class, higher than the spirit angelic class. Your missing the reason for the judgement and the importance of how we act according to our very nature and why judgement has to be eternal. 

 

Now I agree with you that making people think they are "G"od's as in like Satan thinks he is, and called god of this World a title. Is going to get folks in error. One reason I would not use the term "little gods" as it's not even in scripture to explain confidence in the Father. Just because I don't agree with the terms or how some folks word things, does not mean there is not something there. 

 

With 60,000 people here though, you should really consider coming across different before putting down a person someone might listen to. If all that beat the drum with you are those that think like you, You have accomplished nothing. 

 

 

For example. What does everyone thing about the Little god's Doctrine? 

 

Then post your scriptures and explanations. You speak bad about someone that someone likes, they shut you off, and you do nothing except rally the folks that believe like you anyway. It makes no sense if your actually trying to reach people. 

 

Sort of like me going to Catholic mass and telling everyone that praying to Mary is Idol worship and a stupid thing to do. Now listen to what I have to say. It's just not going to accomplish anything. 

[Guest shiloh357]

By Faith

 

 

The Bible does not say we will be "just like Jesus" when he appears.   That is a misquotation.

 

Paul quoted pagan writers more than once.  Don't see the problem you are having with that.

 

Jesus was not affirming that mankind are gods.  He was quoting Scripture and making a point about corrupt leaders.   I think I made that point clear, but you are unwilling to address that point.

 

We are created in God's image, but we are not "like God."  The Bible is clear that no one is like Him.   Show that the verses I posted say otherwise.

 

Where does the Bible say we are in the angelic class????   The Bible says we are created a little lower than angels!

 

 

I completely get what Jesus is saying to the Pharisees.   He is quoting Psalm 82 which is a condemnation of unjust judges (elohim).  Jesus is drawing on that as a criticism of the unrighteous Pharisees.    That is the only correct exegesis of that passage.

 

You can't (so far) offer up any kind of refutation of any point I have made.   All you have done is parrot the same false teachings and complain that I have the audacity to expose them

[By Faith]

By Faith

 

 

The Bible does not say we will be "just like Jesus" when he appears.   That is a misquotation.

 

Paul quoted pagan writers more than once.  Don't see the problem you are having with that.

 

Jesus was not affirming that mankind are gods.  He was quoting Scripture and making a point about corrupt leaders.   I think I made that point clear, but you are unwilling to address that point.

 

We are created in God's image, but we are not "like God."  The Bible is clear that no one is like Him.   Show that the verses I posted say otherwise.

 

Where does the Bible say we are in the angelic class????   The Bible says we are created a little lower than angels!

 

 

I completely get what Jesus is saying to the Pharisees.   He is quoting Psalm 82 which is a condemnation of unjust judges (elohim).  Jesus is drawing on that as a criticism of the unrighteous Pharisees.    That is the only correct exegesis of that passage.

 

You can't (so far) offer up any kind of refutation of any point I have made.   All you have done is parrot the same false teachings and complain that I have the audacity to expose them

 

Well, posting scriptures to refute you is not going to help. 

 

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 

(1Jn 3:2)

 

If we are not like him, then what is John talking about?

 

I also never said we are in the Angelic class, and no we are not lower than angels, Jesus was made lower than the angels..... Made, because at one time he was not. We judge the angels. They are servants, we are sons. If God wanted more servants, he would have made the. He wanted Sons and Daughters, Like him. A family. 

 

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 

(Act 17:28-29)

 

Paul is not disputing that their poets are wrong, they just picked the wrong god to be offspring of. Paul was using their concept of god, and compared the right concept to the Godhead. Now if we are not God's offspring because Paul quoted one of their poets as it's pagan, then the Godhead also must be a Pagan concept. 

 

However, if your called a Son of God, your still His offspring. Born of the Word, which according to John is God, the same. 

 

I could be approaching this wrong.

 

What do you think you are? 

 

I said though your approach is wrong, I play the video and see my favorite preacher "Benny Hinn" is being put down, then you just discredit yourself for me because I have been following Benny Hinn for 20 years and your just some guy on a forum. 

 

Now if you want me to understand that praying at Kathern's tomb to gain anointing and power is messed up, and you want to help me, you don't start off by slamming the guy I have been following for 20 years. 

 

Great post in the Hell thread, but then the same level of quality you used there is not here. Be consistent.