Faith and Firearms: Should Christians Own Guns?

[other one]

 

...The people who funded the Nazi party and Hitler into power never intended for him to win, but to create war so the people who back governments with the loans to buy war materials make huge fortunes.....       Go tear up Europe and Japan then we'll get the people of the USA to spend their tax money to buy the things to rebuild it.

 

All wars are fought over power and money.

But Hitler's war in the East was a "war of annihilation" where armed conflict was also a screen for the SS and other units to eliminate peoples deemed "undesirable" or racially inferior by the race-obsessed Third Reich.

 

Which he learned from our very own people who were involved in eugenics.....     he just took it from birth control to genocide, but the outcomes is basically the same.

 

When you understand that our government's presidential administration knew what he was doing and made no effort to stop him; and refused to let the Jewish asylum seekers into the US, it's not difficult to understand how he (Hitler) would have assumed that it was ok with us.    IBM even supplied the mechanical computers and punch card machines for him to track Jews down and keep up with thier whereabouts until they were killed.

 

The Holocaust had many people involved in many ways, and it's not reality to place it all on Hitler himself.....  Many people helped to effect how he progressed through life.

[Matthew T.]

This is kind of a sub-question... but it is directly related to the subject in that it pre-supposes the intent of the Founding Fathers:

 

Let's say...ummm... Let's just say isLam just came in and took the office of the Presidency. tHEy just came in, kcked our butts and took the Presidency. Would anyone be concerned?

 

This country is only a couple of hundred years old and is now struggling to hold together it's foundation, which has largely been chipped away already. Does anyone think there could ever be the possibility that the citizens will have to rise up and fight against a "domestic" enEmy to defend "our" country?

[other one]

This is kind of a sub-question... but it is directly related to the subject in that it pre-supposes the intent of the Founding Fathers:

 

Let's say...ummm... Let's just say isLam just came in and took the office of the Presidency. tHEy just came in, kcked our butts and took the Presidency. Would anyone be concerned?

 

This country is only a couple of hundred years old and is now struggling to hold together it's foundation, which has largely been chipped away already. Does anyone think there could ever be the possibility that the citizens will have to rise up and fight against a "domestic" enEmy to defend "our" country?

Abraham Lincoln said that if the country ever failed it would have to come from within....       and it looks like we are in the process of it.   The powers that be seem to be building up Islam as a worthy enemy.     It's just another tool for them to control the world.

[Bible2]

shiloh357 said in post 78:

 

Part of loving your wife is providing for her protection.

 

Actually, love doesn't require physical protection against evil. For Jesus loved the 1st century church in Smyrna, but he didn't physically protect it from evil (Revelation 2:10).

 

Also, regarding protection, if Luke 10:19 refers to physical protection, Luke 10:19 could have applied only to the 70 (Luke 10:17). If Luke 10:19 applies to the entire church, it means the power of Satan can't hurt obedient believers spiritually. For Satan can hurt and even kill obedient believers physically (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). Obedient believers overcome Satan spiritually even when they are physically killed by him (Revelation 12:11). They are more than conquerors spiritually even when they are physically led like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36-37). For death is a gain for obedient believers, as it brings their still-conscious souls into heaven to be with Jesus (Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8). So obedient believers need have no fear of death (Hebrews 2:15).

 

And at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will bring with him from heaven all the souls of all the obedient believers who have ever died (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15). And they will all be resurrected into immortal physical bodies at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53). They will all then reign on the earth with Jesus for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). And sometime after that, they will all live forever on a new earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5). So no matter what evil forces have done to obedient believers physically in the past, or are doing to them physically now, or in the future, such as during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13), all obedient believers of all times will ultimately have the victory (1 Corinthians 15:57; 1 John 5:4, Revelation 12:11, Revelation 15:2).

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Matthew T. said in post 87:

 

It's easy to agree with this. It's humanity 101. The ovens hiTLer used to burn scores of Jews to death was unconscionable. hE had to be put down like the eVil dog he was.

 

Hitler was indeed evil. But so are abortion doctors who brutally murder millions of unborn babies every year around the world. Do non-pacifist Christians say these abortion doctors must be put down like the evil dogs they are? Or do even non-pacifist Christians remain silent regarding killing them, because they know that anyone who kills an abortion doctor gets thrown into jail, as a murderer.

[OldSchool2]

...The people who funded the Nazi party and Hitler into power never intended for him to win, but to create war so the people who back governments with the loans to buy war materials make huge fortunes.....       Go tear up Europe and Japan then we'll get the people of the USA to spend their tax money to buy the things to rebuild it.

 

All wars are fought over power and money.

But Hitler's war in the East was a "war of annihilation" where armed conflict was also a screen for the SS and other units to eliminate peoples deemed "undesirable" or racially inferior by the race-obsessed Third Reich.

Which he learned from our very own people who were involved in eugenics.....

Notably Margret Sanger, and the U.S. State Department was -- and probably still is -- notoriously anti-Semitic.

[Guest shiloh357]

so Bible2   are you anti-law enforcement??   Are you against having police since they carry guns?

[Matthew T.]

 

Matthew T. said in post 87:

 

It's easy to agree with this. It's humanity 101. The ovens hiTLer used to burn scores of Jews to death was unconscionable. hE had to be put down like the eVil dog he was.

 

Hitler was indeed evil. But so are abortion doctors who brutally murder millions of unborn babies every year around the world. Do non-pacifist Christians say these abortion doctors must be put down like the evil dogs they are? Or do even non-pacifist Christians remain silent regarding killing them, because they know that anyone who kills an abortion doctor gets thrown into jail, as a murderer.

 

 

That's an excellent question.

 

So far, non-pacifist Christians call out that eVil. You, yourself recognize abortion on demand as murder. We have called it out. We continue to call it out. We FIGHT against it with those that make our laws. eVil has iT's workers in HIGH PLACES within our government and hardly anywhere is iT more evident than the murderers that uphold, promote, encourage and FINANCE the systematic murder of living human beings.

 

I think the efforts so far show a great many things:

• Christians recognize and call out eVil.
• Christians take all the action possible to influence our lawmakers to stop the murder and protect living human beings that have not yet breached the womb, given the freedoms our Founding Fathers provided for citizens of THIS country.
• Christians struggle with obeying the laws of the land but obey if at all possible.
• There is eVil in very high places where a few can trump the call of the many. That's why America was founded as a Republic. The law was established to maintain justice even if the "majority" is wrong. Our last line of defense, the Supreme Court, has been successfully penetrated and polluted by the enEmy and is ever-so-slowly bringing this Republic to it's knees from within.
• This battle is not over. Christians naturally seek the will of God, whether successful in understanding it or not.

[Bible2]

shiloh357 said in post 108:

 

are you anti-law enforcement??  Are you against having police since they carry guns?

 

God does allow civil authorities to employ weapons and violence against criminals (Romans 13:3-4), and believers are to obey and pay their taxes to support civil authorities (Romans 13:1-6).

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Matthew T. said in post 109:

 

Christians struggle with obeying the laws of the land but obey if at all possible.

 

That's right, in that Romans 13:1-2, like Hebrews 13:17 and Matthew 18:17, applies to every case in which human rulers (whether secular or religious) aren't commanding believers to do something contrary to what God commands (Acts 5:29, Daniel 3:18, Galatians 2:5,11-14).