If the U.S went under Martial law...

[Guest shiloh357]

When our servicemen take an oath, their oath is not to protect the president or the congress.  their oath is to protect the constitution of the United States.  As Otherone says, that is our government and when our government decides to violate the constitution and in this case to enslave the US population in the name of "martial law"  then yes it is proper to rebel.

[gdemoss]

Why don't we as Christians look over the scriptures together and talk about the various ways God has chosen to protect his people without the need for resorting to war and violent self-defense tactics?

Or would you rather go about maiming and killing people?

I will offer up Noah first. God had a plan that did not require Noah to take arms and kill people. Nope God had him build a boat and then took care of the dirty work himself.

What other creative ways did God save people without the need for the people to fight?

[Guest shiloh357]

Gary,

 

 

We can find all kinds of ways that God defended people supernaturally, but that doesn't mean we can make a doctrine out of it.

 

How about when Abraham took his men violently fought those who had taken Lot captive??    Even then, how about how Joshua and his men killed all the people of Jericho after God brought the walls down?   And how about all the Canaanite peoples like the peoples of Hazor and Ai that the  Israelites were instructed to kill?    How about when God enabled David to kill Goliath and later violently defeat the Philistines, the Moabites, Edomites and Ammonites in defense of Israel???   

 

How about we examine all of those Scriptures too???

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

...And the government would try to take your weapons away, would you surrender them?

 

No..I'd rather die free than live as a slave.

 

Owning a fire arm doesn't give you more freedom, unless you'd know for sure that you'd become a slave if you didn't surrender it.

 

 

I don't think you're understanding...owning a firearm doesn't make me free.  Being free allows me to own a fiream.  If someone can take away our weapons, we are slaves who are at the mercy of the government.

[missmuffet]

Why don't we as Christians look over the scriptures together and talk about the various ways God has chosen to protect his people without the need for resorting to war and violent self-defense tactics?

Or would you rather go about maiming and killing people?

I will offer up Noah first. God had a plan that did not require Noah to take arms and kill people. Nope God had him build a boat and then took care of the dirty work himself.

What other creative ways did God save people without the need for the people to fight?

Is it  about the people taking control instead of giving all of it to God?

[Guest shiloh357]

No it's not, bopeep.    God actually ordained his people to fight in many circumstances.

[gdemoss]

Gary,

We can find all kinds of ways that God defended people supernaturally, but that doesn't mean we can make a doctrine out of it.

How about when Abraham took his men violently fought those who had taken Lot captive?? Even then, how about how Joshua and his men killed all the people of Jericho after God brought the walls down? And how about all the Canaanite peoples like the peoples of Hazor and Ai that the Israelites were instructed to kill? How about when God enabled David to kill Goliath and later violently defeat the Philistines, the Moabites, Edomites and Ammonites in defense of Israel???

How about we examine all of those Scriptures too???

Yes Shiloh! We should do so. We should work to understand what we are being taught by them for sure. But I perceive we have an unbalanced approah to the topic at hand. I would like to come to a place where it can be discerned a more realistic expectation of when God is calling for what. I am not completely given over to one position or another. But I believe there is evidence to suggest that we are living in times where the sword will be held in vain.

[Guest shiloh357]

How are we unbalanced?  No one is calling for violence.

[gdemoss]

No it's not, bopeep. God actually ordained his people to fight in many circumstances.

Yes. Moses ordered every mans sword against his brother at one point. You are correct.

[The_Patriot21]

Why don't we as Christians look over the scriptures together and talk about the various ways God has chosen to protect his people without the need for resorting to war and violent self-defense tactics?

Or would you rather go about maiming and killing people?

I will offer up Noah first. God had a plan that did not require Noah to take arms and kill people. Nope God had him build a boat and then took care of the dirty work himself.

What other creative ways did God save people without the need for the people to fight?

we do, the boards full of that, sos the Bible, you bring up a valid point, but lets not ignore the times that God has chosen to protect His people using violence and war-read genesis. or Joshua, or even all of Judges and chronicles. . . you want to discuss the peaceful ways, then start a topic about it...this thread is not about those.