If the U.S went under Martial law...

[missmuffet]

And yet the gotquestions post seems to have a balance to it.  A very good read.

There are many so called Christian teaching websites that have false doctrine.I just think that Got Questions has a lot of good Christian advice.

[Guest Butero]

It is like everything else.  It will have it's good and it's bad. 

[The_Patriot21]

like I said, I don't really disagree with gotquestions here, Its just Id rather get it from a persons own words, thats all.

[gdemoss]

Why don't we as Christians look over the scriptures together and talk about the various ways God has chosen to protect his people without the need for resorting to war and violent self-defense tactics?

Or would you rather go about maiming and killing people?

I will offer up Noah first. God had a plan that did not require Noah to take arms and kill people. Nope God had him build a boat and then took care of the dirty work himself.

What other creative ways did God save people without the need for the people to fight?

2 Timothy 3:10-15 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

This is excellent!

Paul knows all about being armed and using force to do what is perceived to be the will of God yet he says that the Lord delivered him out of them all! Why doesn't it read, you know my manner of living, how I took up the sword and fought back against all who were evil?

God has been raising his people up and bringing them to a place where they can trust in him rather than the sword. That isn't to say there is no place for the sword as there are scriptures covering them too. But it isn't given unto all to have that much faith in deliverance and protection.

Job proves that God can and does command a protectioN for his people when it serves his purpose. It was shown in Jesus as well. They sought to throw him headlong over a cliff and he walked out in the midst of them all unharmed. It doesn't say he killed them all and let God sort them out.

I believe that there is too much downplaying of Jesus ministry when it came to achieving peace Without the need for violence.

Use of violent force ought to be left to those who don't believe in God's protective barriers. Why would you want to deny a man protection? If he believes not that God will protect him and his family then by all means he better get the biggest and best guns on the market!

[Guest Butero]

I can see arguments on both sides that are legitimate, but we would be in bad shape if everyone laid down their weapons.  We wouldn't have a country.  I would say if you feel fighting it out to the death to defend the Constitution, I respect you, and if you feel like you should just hand over your weapons and surrender and trust God, I can respect that too.  I think you will see both if something like the OP suggested happens.  I also think some in the military could turn on the government if they abuse the Constitution in that manner.

[The_Patriot21]

theres a time for everything under the sun. Theres a time for love, and a time for hate, a time for war, and a time of peace. (ecclesiastes 3:8) and a book, that tells us how to know when that time is. Saying owning and using firearms is wrong and anti-biblical, is not a biblical statement, nor a true one. No we should not seek violence, nor live by them, but theres nothing wrong with owning them, and there is a time to use them, and we have a book, that tells us when those times are.

[1to3]

Times have changed fast.

 

Its been only in the past couple of years that now Canadian custom agents have to be trained to use and carry a weapon.

 

It was not like this before.

 

I still don't like the idea of owning a gun as a self defense weapon in your home or car for that matter.

To much violence, unnecessary killings already.

 

 

 

I rather place my faith and trust and fate in the Lord .

 

About Luke 22:32?

I don't know why Christ Jesus would tell some one to use a sword .

A sword can be used to cut brush, sticks, its also a tool  if you have to survive in the forest.

 

Christ Jesus said to many places to love your enemies, to give them your shirt if they ask, to feed them?

 

To trust in Him to direct and protect our path.

 

To walk away rather than fight.

 

To forgive even when the other person has not been able to do so.

 

By these ways, others will know that we are Christians.

 

My grandfather on my mothers side, was in world war I and world war II.

He got shot in the leg and then another time just above the belly button, the bullet went in and out the back, never touching his spinal chord, he was placed to suffer and die in two concentration camps and survived.  A real miracle he survived. My grand father lived to be 98 years old.

My grand father would tell us how the Holy Spirit of God would direct his path as to what to do, where to go. My grandfather carried a bible with him wherever he went.

And once when my grandfather was facing the enemie, instead of shooting, my grandfather took out his bible and the two men met in the middle, embraced and went their way.

 

My grandfather always said that war is a stinky business.

God had a plan for my grandfather. My grandfather was a great witness of Gods Grace and Mercy through His only begotten son Christ Jesus .

My grand father was an honest gentle man.

 

I as a christian and my grandfathers grand daughter, rather believe and trust in the Lord as the new testament calls us to do, then take up arms.

 

You may all think me to be very naive, but I knew my grandfather and what he went through. His faith in Christ Jesus brought me me to my faith faith in Christ Jesus.

 

I trust in the words spoken by Christ Jesus about being a peacemaker over taking up arms .

 

Christ Jesus is the NEW covenant, where the LAW of GOD is to be written in our hearts, where the Holy Spirit of God should live and direct our path and conscience to do what is right in His sight.

 

The old testament is about stories about what happens to man when they obey and when they disobey Gods LAW.

That there have been wars, does not mean it is right.

 

Thou shalt not kill

Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.

 

It is by our flesh nature that we think to kill,

It is by our spirit nature in Christ Jesus that we should live otherwise

 

 

There was a time when even the clergy were exempt of having to war or use weapons.

Why is that?

 

Because they were suppose to represent peace, Gods peace

[The_Patriot21]

exodus 20:13. yes, commonly misunderstood passage. It wasn't translated real well, the hebrew word there better translates as murder. If it was a blanket "kill statement" then we cannot believe the Bible, because it contradicts itself. What kind of God, would order the Israelites not to kill in the commandments, then 40 years later, tell the very same people to kill every single person in canaan? He wouldn't. Thou shalt nor murder is a better translation-there is a difference between killing someone in cold blood, and killing someone to protect your family.

[1to3]

Some of the stories may contradict themselves,

but Gods commandments and Christ Jesus Words to follow don't.

[Ezra]

...And the government would try to take your weapons away, would you surrender them?

Firstly one would need to know precisely why the government has opted for martial law, and secondly surrender of weapons is not the only option. Those who know that the government will use heavy-handed tactics will find ways to ensure that they have alternatives.  For example, many Americans have literally given up their citizenship and moved off.