Matthew 13:24

[Guest]

 

The tares among the wheat.

My question is, why would the angels mistakenly uproot the wheat with the tares, cannot they do their job adequatly? Or are some of the tares going to become wheat? (Unbelievers into believers). Or something that has to do with immature believers looking like tares.

The point is not whether the angels can do their job properly but that the tares resemble the wheat so closely that they could be mistaken for wheat. 

 

The tares are the unsaved, whereas the wheat are the saved.  There are millions with the label of *Christian* who are totally faithful to their churches but are trusting in their good works, or good lives, or sacraments, or what have you, to enter Heaven.  They do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, hence they are not wheat but tares.  They are Christians outwardly, but need to be saved -- religious but lost.

 

Ezra, irregardless of the "point", it is unacceptable to allow such a false portrayal of our Lord to go uncorrected. GOD's character is so much more important than any interpretation of parables. People may not understand a parable, but you can bet that they will focus on the accusation that GOD, Jesus, or their Angels (personal emissaries) would or could make a mistake. People look for reasons to discredit our Lord! We must not give them any because we are too lazy to address error. (Not saying that you are.)

[Ezra]

People look for reasons to discredit our Lord! We must not give them any because we are too lazy to address error.

Agreed.  It goes without saying that the holy angels cannot and will not make any mistakes.  They are under the direct control and command of the Lord God Almighty.

[Guest]

That's my point, though. It cannot go without saying. Someone must make the correction. Like you or me, my friend. Be blessed.

[thereselittleflower]

The tares among the wheat.

My question is, why would the angels mistakenly uproot the wheat with the tares, cannot they do their job adequatly? Or are some of the tares going to become wheat? (Unbelievers into believers). Or something that has to do with immature believers looking like tares.

 

I don't believe they did mistakenly uproot the wheat with the tares.

 

That is not what I understand the parable to say.  Because there were tares with the wheat and taking out the tares before the wheat was ready to harvest would damage wheat, the tares were left to grow alongside the wheat until harvest time.

 

After the harvest they will be separated.

 

This is teaching of the Final Judgement.

Edited July 5, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Rick_Parker.

 

You have a very glaring fundamental flaw. Angels don't make mistakes. They only do as they are told to do by the Lord. If they were to make a mistake, that would mean that the Lord would make a mistake or at least allow one to be made on His behalf.

 

Actually, it is you who has made a glaring fundamental flaw. You ASSUME that these “angels” are supernatural beings! YOU CAN’T KNOW THAT! The Greek word “aggelos” means a “MESSENGER.” That MAY be a “supernatural being,” but it may just as easily NOT be! The word “aggelos” was simply TRANSLITERATED into the English as “angel,” since the “gamma-gamma” consonant blend gives the “ng” sound.

 

However, there are times in the Scriptures when the Greek word “aggelos” actually refers to a HUMAN “messenger!” For instance, John the Baptist was said to be the Messiah’s “aggelos” in Matthew 11:10; Mark 1:2; and Luke 7:27. Also, John's disciples were also called “aggeloi,” the plural form of “aggelos,” in Luke 7:24. Yeshua`s (Jesus’) own disciples were called “aggeloi” in Luke 9:52. Indeed, the “angels” (“aggeloi”) in 1 Peter 1:12 may be argued to be the “prophets” in 1 Peter 1:10! Weren’t the prophets “messengers (aggeloi) of God?"

 

Besides, how do YOU know that “Angels (even supernatural beings) don’t make mistakes”? If it is true that haSatan used to be an “angel” of God, he sure made some mistakes, didn’t he?! Even if you want to say that he CHOSE to disobey God and made no mistake in his choice, his assumption that he could put his throne above God’s and get away with it was mistaken, wasn’t it?! And, I can GUARANTEE you that human messengers of God MAKE MISTAKES!

 

Don’t be too confident in your theological reasoning. Things aren’t always so "cut and dry" as we might like to believe they are.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Ezra.

 

 

Pamelasv, the solution to this is that this parable is NOT talking about this current time period.

Retro,

Since the Lord says that "the field is the world" why should we project this parable to the future only when it applies to the present as well as the future?

 

 

NT:2889 kosmos (kos'-mos); probably from the base of NT:2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]):

KJV - adorning, world.

 

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

 

Of course, you are ASSUMING that because the symbol of "the field is the world" (the Greek word “kosmos” meaning the world-system), that the parable applies to the present as well as the future. However, there is NOTHING in the word “kosmos” that dictates that Yeshua` is talking about the PRESENT world-system AT ALL! To the contrary, he also says, “but the harvest is the end of the age.” (Ho de therismos sunteleia aioonos estin.) 

 

So, I ask in counter measure, “Why should we project this parable to the present as well as the future when it applies only to the future?” Where do you even GET the notion that it applies to the NOW?!

[missmuffet]

Shalom, Rick_Parker.

 

You have a very glaring fundamental flaw. Angels don't make mistakes. They only do as they are told to do by the Lord. If they were to make a mistake, that would mean that the Lord would make a mistake or at least allow one to be made on His behalf.

 

Actually, it is you who has made a glaring fundamental flaw. You ASSUME that these “angels” are supernatural beings! YOU CAN’T KNOW THAT! The Greek word “aggelos” means a “MESSENGER.” That MAY be a “supernatural being,” but it may just as easily NOT be! The word “aggelos” was simply TRANSLITERATED into the English as “angel,” since the “gamma-gamma” consonant blend gives the “ng” sound.

 

However, there are times in the Scriptures when the Greek word “aggelos” actually refers to a HUMAN “messenger!” For instance, John the Baptist was said to be the Messiah’s “aggelos” in Matthew 11:10; Mark 1:2; and Luke 7:27. Also, John's disciples were also called “aggeloi,” the plural form of “aggelos,” in Luke 7:24. Yeshua`s (Jesus’) own disciples were called “aggeloi” in Luke 9:52. Indeed, the “angels” (“aggeloi”) in 1 Peter 1:12 may be argued to be the “prophets” in 1 Peter 1:10! Weren’t the prophets “messengers (aggeloi) of God?"

 

Besides, how do YOU know that “Angels (even supernatural beings) don’t make mistakes”? If it is true that haSatan used to be an “angel” of God, he sure made some mistakes, didn’t he?! Even if you want to say that he CHOSE to disobey God and made no mistake in his choice, his assumption that he could put his throne above God’s and get away with it was mistaken, wasn’t it?! And, I can GUARANTEE you that human messengers of God MAKE MISTAKES!

 

Don’t be too confident in your theological reasoning. Things aren’t always so "cut and dry" as we might like to believe they are.

Angels are spiritual beings

 

Angels are personal spiritual beings who have intelligence, emotions, and will. This is true of both the good and evil angels (demons). Angels possess intelligence (Matthew 8:29;2 Corinthians 11:3;1 Peter 1:12), show emotion (Luke 2:13;James 2:19;Revelation 12:17), and exercise will (Luke 8:28-31;2 Timothy 2:26;Jude 6). Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14) without true physical bodies. Although they do not have physical bodies, they are still personalities.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/angels-Bible.html#ixzz3f4G0Qv00

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, again, Ezra.

 

 

The tares among the wheat.

My question is, why would the angels mistakenly uproot the wheat with the tares, cannot they do their job adequatly? Or are some of the tares going to become wheat? (Unbelievers into believers). Or something that has to do with immature believers looking like tares.

The point is not whether the angels can do their job properly but that the tares resemble the wheat so closely that they could be mistaken for wheat. 

 

The tares are the unsaved, whereas the wheat are the saved.  There are millions with the label of *Christian* who are totally faithful to their churches but are trusting in their good works, or good lives, or sacraments, or what have you, to enter Heaven.  They do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, hence they are not wheat but tares.  They are Christians outwardly, but need to be saved -- religious but lost.

 

 

And I ask, where do you get the notion that the “tares are the unsaved, whereas the wheat are the saved?” That is NOT what Yeshua` said nor is it what He was talking about! Quit projecting into the present what is meant for the future! Look at it again:

 

Matthew 13:36-43

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them,

He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world (kosmos = "world-system");

the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but

the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil (diabolos = “slanderer”);

the harvest is the end of the world (aioonos = "age”); and

the reapers are the angels (aggeloi = “messengers").

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels (aggeloi = “messengers”), and they shall gather OUT of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

KJV

 

The “children of the Kingdom” are NOT the “saved,” as you think of the word!

The “children of the wicked one” are NOT the “unsaved,” as you define against your word “saved” above.

 

You absolutely MUST be more careful in your languages than that!

 

The “children of the Kingdom” are those who were destined to be the Kingdom’s subjects, whether willingly or not so willingly. The children of the wicked one are the PLANTS (persons placed in a group as spies or informers) of the Slanderer in the Messiah’s Kingdom. They were placed there to UNDERMINE the workings of the Messiah’s Kingdom.

[missmuffet]

 

Shalom, again, Ezra.

 

 

The tares among the wheat.

My question is, why would the angels mistakenly uproot the wheat with the tares, cannot they do their job adequatly? Or are some of the tares going to become wheat? (Unbelievers into believers). Or something that has to do with immature believers looking like tares.

The point is not whether the angels can do their job properly but that the tares resemble the wheat so closely that they could be mistaken for wheat. 

 

The tares are the unsaved, whereas the wheat are the saved.  There are millions with the label of *Christian* who are totally faithful to their churches but are trusting in their good works, or good lives, or sacraments, or what have you, to enter Heaven.  They do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit, hence they are not wheat but tares.  They are Christians outwardly, but need to be saved -- religious but lost.

 

 

And I ask, where do you get the notion that the “tares are the unsaved, whereas the wheat are the saved?” That is NOT what Yeshua` said nor is it what He was talking about! Quit projecting into the present what is meant for the future! Look at it again:

 

Matthew 13:36-43

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them,

He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world (kosmos = "world-system");

the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but

the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil (diabolos = “slanderer”);

the harvest is the end of the world (aioonos = "age”); and

the reapers are the angels (aggeloi = “messengers").

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels (aggeloi = “messengers”), and they shall gather OUT of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

KJV

 

The “children of the Kingdom” are NOT the “saved,” as you think of the word!

The “children of the wicked one” are NOT the “unsaved,” as you define against your word “saved” above.

 

You absolutely MUST be more careful in your languages than that!

 

The “children of the Kingdom” are those who were destined to be the Kingdom’s subjects, whether willingly or not so willingly. The children of the wicked one are the PLANTS (persons placed in a group as spies or informers) of the Slanderer in the Messiah’s Kingdom. They were placed there to UNDERMINE the workings of the Messiah’s Kingdom.

 

Please read this with the Scripture which is provided.Yes,the tares are the unsaved

and the wheat are the saved.

 

Question: "What is the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares?"

Answer:The Parable of the Wheat and the Weeds, or Tares, is filled with spiritual significance and truth. But, in spite of the clear explanation of the parable that Jesus gave (Matthew 13:36-43), this parable is very often misinterpreted. Many commentaries and sermons have attempted to use this story as an illustration of the condition of the church, noting that there are both true believers (the wheat) and false professors (the weeds) in both the church at large and individual local churches. While this may be true, Jesus distinctly explains that the field is not the church; it is the world (v. 38).

Even if He hadn’t specifically told us the world is the setting of the story, it would still be obvious. The landowner tells the servants not to pull up the weeds in the field, but to leave them until the end of the age. If the field were the church, this command would directly contradict Jesus’ teaching inMatthew 18, which tells us how to deal with unrepentant sinners in the church: they are to be put out of the fellowship and treated as unbelievers. Jesus never instructed us to let impenitent sinners remain in our midst until the end of the age. So, Jesus is teaching here about “the kingdom of heaven” (v. 24) in the world.

In the agricultural society of Christ’s time, many farmers depended on the quality of their crops. An enemy sowing weeds would have sabotaged a business. The tares in the parable were likely darnel because that weed, until mature, appears as wheat. Without modern weed killers, what would a wise farmer do in such a dilemma? Instead of tearing out the wheat with the tares, the landowner in this parable wisely waited until the harvest. After harvesting the whole field, the tares could be separated and burned. The wheat would be saved in the barn.

In the explanation of parable, Christ declares that He Himself is the sower. He spreads His redeemed seed, true believers, in the field of the world. Through His grace, these Christians bear the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-24). Their presence on earth is the reason the “kingdom of heaven” is like the field of the world. When Jesus said, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17;Mark 3:2), He meant the spiritual realm which exists on earth side by side with the realm of the evil one (1 John 5:19). When the kingdom of heaven comes to its fruition, heaven will be a reality and there will be no “weeds” among the “wheat.” But for now, both good and bad seeds mature in the world.

The enemy in the parable is Satan. In opposition to Jesus Christ, the devil tries to destroy Christ’s work by placing false believers and teachers in the world who lead many astray. One has only to look at the latest televangelist scandal to know the world is filled with professing “Christians” whose ungodly actions bring reproach on the name of Christ. But we are not to pursue such people in an effort to destroy them. For one thing, we don’t know if immature and innocent believers might be injured by our efforts. Further, one has only to look at the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and the reign of “Bloody Mary” in England to see the results of men taking upon themselves the responsibility of separating true believers from false, a task reserved for God alone. Instead of requiring these false believers to be rooted out of the world, and possibly hurting immature believers in the process, Christ allows them to remain until His return. At that time, angels will separate the true from false believers.

In addition, we are not to take it upon ourselves to uproot unbelievers because the difference between true and false believers isn’t always obvious. Tares, especially in the early stages of growth, resemble wheat. Likewise, a false believer may resemble a true believer. InMatthew 7:22, Jesus warned that many profess faith but do not know Him. Thus, each person should examine his own relationship with Christ (2 Corinthians 13:5). First John is an excellent test of salvation.

Jesus Christ will one day establish true righteousness. After He raptures the true church out of this world, God will pour out His righteous wrath on the world. During that tribulation, He will draw others to saving faith in Jesus Christ. At the end of the tribulation, all unbelievers will be judged for their sin and unbelief; then, they will be removed from God’s presence. True followers of Christ will reign with Him. What a glorious hope for the “wheat”!

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/parable-wheat-tares.html#ixzz3f4LjYVTh

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, bopeep1909.

 

 

Shalom, Rick_Parker.

 

You have a very glaring fundamental flaw. Angels don't make mistakes. They only do as they are told to do by the Lord. If they were to make a mistake, that would mean that the Lord would make a mistake or at least allow one to be made on His behalf.

 

Actually, it is you who has made a glaring fundamental flaw. You ASSUME that these “angels” are supernatural beings! YOU CAN’T KNOW THAT! The Greek word “aggelos” means a “MESSENGER.” That MAY be a “supernatural being,” but it may just as easily NOT be! The word “aggelos” was simply TRANSLITERATED into the English as “angel,” since the “gamma-gamma” consonant blend gives the “ng” sound.

 

However, there are times in the Scriptures when the Greek word “aggelos” actually refers to a HUMAN “messenger!” For instance, John the Baptist was said to be the Messiah’s “aggelos” in Matthew 11:10; Mark 1:2; and Luke 7:27. Also, John's disciples were also called “aggeloi,” the plural form of “aggelos,” in Luke 7:24. Yeshua`s (Jesus’) own disciples were called “aggeloi” in Luke 9:52. Indeed, the “angels” (“aggeloi”) in 1 Peter 1:12 may be argued to be the “prophets” in 1 Peter 1:10! Weren’t the prophets “messengers (aggeloi) of God?"

 

Besides, how do YOU know that “Angels (even supernatural beings) don’t make mistakes”? If it is true that haSatan used to be an “angel” of God, he sure made some mistakes, didn’t he?! Even if you want to say that he CHOSE to disobey God and made no mistake in his choice, his assumption that he could put his throne above God’s and get away with it was mistaken, wasn’t it?! And, I can GUARANTEE you that human messengers of God MAKE MISTAKES!

 

Don’t be too confident in your theological reasoning. Things aren’t always so "cut and dry" as we might like to believe they are.

Angels are spiritual beings

 

Angels are personal spiritual beings who have intelligence, emotions, and will. This is true of both the good and evil angels (demons). Angels possess intelligence (Matthew 8:29;2 Corinthians 11:3;1 Peter 1:12), show emotion (Luke 2:13;James 2:19;Revelation 12:17), and exercise will (Luke 8:28-31;2 Timothy 2:26;Jude 6). Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14) without true physical bodies. Although they do not have physical bodies, they are still personalities.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/angels-Bible.html#ixzz3f4G0Qv00

 

 

SAYS YOU! I’m sorry but that is NOT TRUE! Where do you get that nonsense?! Matthew 8:29 is not talking about “angels.” It’s talking about demon-possessed individuals! 2 Corinthians 11:3 is talking about the “serpent!” 1 Peter 1:12, as I’ve already said, is talking about the “prophets" of 1 Peter 1:10! I could go on, but all this simply means that you have BUILT A THEOLOGICAL NETWORK OF ANSWERS that SEEM to answer your questions but really are not directly based on the Scriptures AT ALL! Instead, you have formed this “house of cards” theology called “angelology” that is, AT BEST, a GUESS of this nebulous, vague, hazy subject about supernatural beings! It’s certainly NOT what you or anyone should take as “gospel fact!” It should also NOT be a source of contention to the point of breaking fellowship! NO ONE should take a dogmatic stand on this ... guesswork!