Was The fall of Lucifer/Satan;Before The Creation or After The Creatio

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The question I would ask myself is, are Satan and the Angels really part of creation...    we know they were already here when the Creating of our world started.   So when God said it was all good, was he just speaking of what he had just created, or including all the things prior to creation....

 

Once again I have to wonder at what point did God decide for the Saints to judge the angels.   Though most of my friends tend to look past this, it is hugely important in the scheme of things.

Can you please give scripture reference(s) to your statement:  " we know they were already here when the Creating of our world started."

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The book of Job

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The book of Job

 

The book of Job

Where specifically?

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Chapter 38 if my memory serves me correctly

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Well since you don't bother to give any precise verse,

I can only speculate that you are talking about

Job ch38 :6,7

 

6To what were its foundations fastened?

Or who laid its cornerstone, (the cornerstone usually refers to Christ Jesus)

When the morning stars sang together,

and the sons of god shouted for joy?

 

If this is the verses you are referring to,

they do not point that angels existed prior to Gods creation.

 

Only that while creation was happening these rejoiced.

They could have been created in the creation time period and rejoiced for seeing other things being created.

like Adam who rejoiced when Eve came along.

 

The only thing we know for sure is that in the beginning was the Word

John ch 1:1

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God.

He was in the beginning with God.

 

The trinity was before the beginning of Gods creation of the universe and all the things in.

As God is who began things.

 

Angels, sons of light followed, but it does not say anywhere that i know of in the bible, that it was before God plan of creation began

 

So unless you can be more specific, Iam left to trust, by what is written in Holy Scripture,

that all of Gods creation of things were done within the 7 day period including the angels.

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Well the first thing you do when building something is to lay the foundation.... it seems the angels we're there at that point.... when He started. So excuse me for applying a little common sense to the subject....

Still would like to know when God decided for the Saints to judge the angels.

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Well the first thing you do when building something is to lay the foundation.... it seems the angels we're there at that point.... when He started. So excuse me for applying a little common sense to the subject....

Still would like to know when God decided for the Saints to judge the angels.

 

Well the first thing you do when building something is to lay the foundation.... it seems the angels we're there at that point.... when He started. So excuse me for applying a little common sense to the subject....

Still would like to know when God decided for the Saints to judge the angels.

 

Angels did not exist before God.

Creation came after God.

 

Angels are part of Gods creation

And Gods creations are mentioned in the bible within a 7 day period.

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Well the first thing you do when building something is to lay the foundation.... it seems the angels we're there at that point.... when He started. So excuse me for applying a little common sense to the subject....

Still would like to know when God decided for the Saints to judge the angels.

 

Well the first thing you do when building something is to lay the foundation.... it seems the angels we're there at that point.... when He started. So excuse me for applying a little common sense to the subject....

Still would like to know when God decided for the Saints to judge the angels.

 

Angels did not exist before God.

Creation came after God.

 

Angels are part of Gods creation

And Gods creations are mentioned in the bible within a 7 day period.

 

no one said they existed before God....      but I am not so sure that they are part of the creation of the universe......    we know little to nothing about things before God said let there be light.....      was that what the Angels were shouting about.....              Angels are created beings, and the Bible says so in several places, it just doesn't say when they were created nor do I know if they are actually part of creation of the universe or was here when the Father and Jesus did the universe......

When was the foundation laid? we know they were here for that..

 

Still want to know when he decided for us to judge the angels.

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Well I am just referring to what is written in  biblical scripture.

 

Personal opinions  can be different from what scripture says.

 

Like I was not there, I only know from what I have read in scripture and what I keep on learning from scripture.

 

I am conscious of other points of views and that they also may differ from scripture.

 

but sticking to biblical scripture unless someone shows other bible references, it does not make any clear mention.

 

As for judging and the saints judging the angels I am not informed to give any answers on it , so hopefully some one else can answer that question for you.

 

I just hope that my faith leads me one day home back to God.

 

Another topic can be those seven days. To God a thousand years can be an instant.

Where those seven days as the bible refers to, days like we know and understand them

or is the number seven what to retain as a meaning of reference in the count of time?

 

In my understanding thus far, 

creation after the Eternal IS, of God, includes everything else,

all other realms that came into existence by Gods fashioning when He commenced creation.

 

My understanding is that Gods origin is in the eternal from what the bible mention's, all creation begins after that. the time frame the bible uses is seven days.

Within that time frame be it seven days, seven billion years... creation came to be on step at a time.

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The question I would ask myself is, are Satan and the Angels really part of creation...    we know they were already here when the Creating of our world started.   So when God said it was all good, was he just speaking of what he had just created, or including all the things prior to creation....

 

Once again I have to wonder at what point did God decide for the Saints to judge the angels.   Though most of my friends tend to look past this, it is hugely important in the scheme of things.

Can you please give scripture reference(s) to your statement:  " we know they were already here when the Creating of our world started."

 

Question: "When did God create the angels?"

Answer:Trying to determine when God created the angels is somewhat tricky because anything God did “before the foundation of the world” puts the event outside of time itself. Time and space are characteristics of our world, not God’s. He is not limited by hours, days and years as we are. In fact, the Bible tells us that “with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day” (2 Peter 3:8).

We do know that God created the angels before he created the physical universe. The book of Job describes the angels worshipping God as He was creating the world: “Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone - while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).

If we consider the function of angels, we might conclude that God created the angels just prior to the creation of mankind because one of their duties is to be “ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation” (Hebrews 1:14). We also know they existed prior to the Garden of Eden, because Satan, who was formerly the angel Lucifer, was already present in the Garden in his fallen state. However, because another function of angels is to worship God around His throne (Revelation 5:11-14), they may have been in existence millions of years—as we reckon time—before God created the world, worshipping Him and serving Him.

So, although the Bible does not specifically say when God created the angels, it was sometime before the world was created. Whether this was a day before, or billions of years before—again, as we reckon time—we cannot be sure.

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