what is the way.. for who died without hearing gospel.

[thereselittleflower]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

[Guest shiloh357]

I have read many catholic prayers to various saints and or to Mary and they were never about asking them to pray for them, but rather imploring them for help or guidance.

 

There is ONE mediator between God and man, the Lord Jesus (I Tim. 2:5) and he intercedes for us (Heb. 7:25) and He also intercedes for us in the Person of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:25-26)   so we can go directly to God as we are commanded in Heb.4:15-16. 

Not only that, but the Bible gives no indication that anyone who has passed into heaven from this can hear our prayers.  There is no exhortation to the Church to pray to  saints.  Again, the Bible is the final arbiter on all matters of Christian faith and practice and if God wanted us to pray to dead saints he would have commanded as such.   Intercession on earth for saints is only commanded to Christians in this life.   Noone who has passed on is interceding for us.

John 14:12-14 tells us that we are to pray in Jesus' Name and I John 5:14-15  also tells us that our prayers have to be according to God's will.  This means that the basis on God answering a prayer has nothing to do with the person who is praying.   The saints in heaven have no bearing on how or if our prayers will be answered.  It's God's will that is the determining factor.   Praying to dead people is a practice in futility.

[missmuffet]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

1)Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

2)On a cross  why is Jesus still on the Catholic Cross where He is not on the cross of a protestant 

3) What about purgatory?It is not Biblical.The Catholics use 1 Corinthians 3:15 to justify purgatory but the passage does not say that believers pass through fire,but that believers works pass through fire.

Edited August 15, 2015 by bopeep1909

[thereselittleflower]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

 

Why did Jesus tell his Apostles

John 20:23

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

if the Apostles and their successors were not to be available to forgive sins?

Edited August 15, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[missmuffet]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

 

Why did Jesus tell his Apostles

John 20:23

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

That is correct I pray to Jesus and ask for forgiveness.I do not go to a priest to intercede. 

What is a Rosary for?

Praying the rosary requires Catholics to call upon Mary as the “holy Queen.” The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found, the term is used in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17–19; 44:16–27). The Bible never pictures Mary as a queen; rather, she calls herself “the Lord’s servant” (Luke 1:38). She is never given a crown or authority over heaven and earth. Likewise, is it appropriate, while praying the rosary, to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture (John 1:1–14; Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13).

http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-rosary.html

Edited August 15, 2015 by bopeep1909

[Guest shiloh357]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

 

Why did Jesus tell his Apostles

John 20:23

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

If you understood Jewish culture, you would know that Jesus was commissioning his disciples to be the leaders of congregation in his absence.  They were the first "Messianic Rabbis"   and as such they had the authority to adjudicate  disputes between believers.  It was a common form of rabbinic authority.  He is not giving the authority to spiritually absolve sins.   That is something only God can do.   They have the authority to make judicial decisions between members of the community.   Thus on a civil level they act as judge and can forgive or not.    But it is only on a civil level.  

There is no biblical command to go to a priest for absolution.   To rely on a man for absolution is to usurp the authority of Christ.   RCC systematically points men away from Jesus and teaches that salvation is in the RCC as opposed to salvation being in Christ alone.

[missmuffet]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

 

Why did Jesus tell his Apostles

John 20:23

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

If you understood Jewish culture, you would know that Jesus was commissioning his disciples to be the leaders of congregation in his absence.  They were the first "Messianic Rabbis"   and as such they had the authority to adjudicate  disputes between believers.  It was a common form of rabbinic authority.  He is not giving the authority to spiritually absolve sins.   That is something only God can do.   They have the authority to make judicial decisions between members of the community.   Thus on a civil level they act as judge and can forgive or not.    But it is only on a civil level.  

There is no biblical command to go to a priest for absolution.   To rely on a man for absolution is to usurp the authority of Christ.   RCC systematically points men away from Jesus and teaches that salvation is in the RCC as opposed to salvation being in Christ alone.

That is putting man on the same level with God.

[enoob57]

I have read this foolishness of yours little flower and find this simple answer:

Why would anyone go through anyone else but Jesus a name above all names... except perhaps by the persuasion of the spirit of anti-Christ!

Let's face it when you are in dire straights to your save your life- you do not call your relatives to dial 911 for you... do you?

Love, Steven

Do you ask others to pray for you?

 

Why do you go through them as well instead of just go to Jesus yourself alone?

Why does a Catholic have to go to a confession and a priest for forgiveness when they have a direct line to Jesus themselves?

 

Why did Jesus tell his Apostles

John 20:23

"If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

if the Apostles and their successors were not to be available to forgive sins?

Most of this is hinted to be at a Millennial reign of Jesus whereby there will be the Disciples on twelve thrones judging the nation of Israel and Jesus will be with a rod of iron ruling the world while the perpetuation of confusion ,by sin, will be greatly reduced by lucifers placement in the bottomless pit... They (Disciples and Jesus) at this time  will be ruling together and bringing the world back to a garden like state- (cleaning up the mess we will) .  We, as now, are sinners left in (flesh not redeemed) and are able to be deceived by that flesh  and are even told not to judge one another as to eternal outcome... as we are in this present weakness the verse cannot be of the Church age but another... what Shiloh has said is a possible partial fulfillment  but the fullness of The Word fulfilled will be in the Millennium.

There can only be one redeemer- The One Who 'IS' without sin and that of course is The Lord Jesus  and when we go home we then also shall be without sin but the eternal debt as to why we are-> will be the eternity of worship He will be due by His very presence we will be in... love, Steven

[gdemoss]

Shiloh, as long as you refuse to learn, there is nothing anyone can teach you about the errors in your understanding.

 

Peace.

You could use a mirror.  Everything that you continually abase others for are the very things that are pouring out of your mouth from your hard heart.  You become convicted in Gods court by all of your accusations and yet seem to believe that you will escape the judgment of God upon yourself.  Please stop your only hurting you self. I emplore you as a brother in Christ.  May you see your folly before it is too late.

[Ezra]

 

I have read many catholic prayers to various saints and or to Mary and they were never about asking them to pray for them, but rather imploring them for help or guidance.

This is correct. Let's take a real example:

Oh glorious apostle St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, the name of the traitor who delivered thy beloved Master into the hands of His enemies has caused thee to be forgotten by many, but the Church honors and invokes thee universally as the patron of hopeless cases--of things despaired of. Pray for me who am so miserable; make use, I implore thee, of that particular privilege accorded thee of bringing visible and speedy help where help is almost despaired of. Come to my assistance in this great need, that I may receive the consolations and succor of heaven in all my necessities, tribulations and sufferings, particularly (mention your request), and that I may bless God with thee and all the elect throughout eternity. I promise thee, O blessed St. Jude, to be ever mindful of this great favor, and I will never cease to honor thee as my special and powerful patron, and to do all in my power to encourage devotion to thee. Amen

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