PRE-TOJT Catching Away

[Serving]

InSeasonOut,

 

 

" Serving "

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

 

Firstly, which brethren? Jews or believers?

 

Answer: Back up to James 1:1-2

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

 

James was a Jew according to the flesh. He wrote to the twelve tribes (Jews) they're also his brethren.

 

And since this is doctrinally pointed to the last days, where the tribes are recognized again and sealed, they become "believers" and thus "brethren"

 

No, you are confusing who is meant by the "12 tribes scattered abroad".

 

The 10 tribes themselves were taken by Assyria 722 years before Christ .. that group is long gone .. travelling over the course of centuries they headed westward away from Israel & the middle east & headed towards the Caucus's & over & into Europe as recorded by the Assyrians & Babylonian's & Persian's in their records .. and because the migration was recorded in their native tongues (Assyrians called them  Bit_Khumri along with other variations, slang etc of that rendering & the Babylonian's recorded them as Gimiri  & the Persians called them the  Sakkas ) my point being .. these 10 tribes were long gone by the time the Christ & His Apostles appeared.  (As a side note, particular representatives of those 10 tribes that remained after Assyria took the 10 tribes into captivity, were, the poorest of the land who, over time, intermarried with the new occupants of the land that were set in place by Assyria,  these became known as Samaritans & were considered un - clean by the Jews.) Besides those of the 10 tribes who lived in Jerusalem during Assyria's conquest .. that group among the 2 tribes in Jerusalem equalled the12 tribes being mentioned by your reckoning of mere Jews or fellow countrymen instead of the spiritual brethren which is the true meaning being conveyed.  

 

So the 12 tribes being addressed were not the above group, but another group all together that were scattered during Christ's era.

 

Matthew 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

 

Now before you go accusing me of stupidity again, this above prophecy was not only speaking of the Apostles fleeing when Christ was captured, but was prophetically directed for a specific time period after that initial scattering of the Apostles.

 

So the 12 tribes who are being greeted by James were those believers counted from among those tribes back then (only believers are counted as being part of the tribes, hence the 144 000 can be of any nationality of the commonwealth of Israel), and these brethren were previously living in Israel who was under Roman homage, until their persecution arose, being led by Saul against them that believed, whose stock was from among the 12 accepted tribes ie, believers.

 

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

 

Not exactly "abroad" by modern popular reckoning, but "abroad" used in the context as it was used back then.

 

Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

 

These still needed guidance from the Apostles as we see examples of throughout the Acts.

 

Acts 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

 

They actually went into many other nations as you have probably read also, not just the above mentioned, but are a good enough example for now.

 

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

Who are the same group James is addressing .. (note, there were also, before that scattering, those back then living "abroad" likewise who were known to Israel, we would call these types "Ex-pats" today & they would simply be called foreigners by their host nations) .. James is not speaking to the lost tribes InSeasonOut who will be "recognised & sealed" way into their future as you are taught, but to the known ones whose small numbers of every 12 tribe went to Babylon .. this same group who lived in Jerusalem when Northern Israel, who were just 10 tribes btw, & were taken by Assyria & "lost" not only to Israel, but to the whole world !! .. this group that lived in Jerusalem representing all 12 tribes in Israel during Roman times .. this group is the group being spoken to .. people do have children & multiply you must understand, and so did those very small numbers from every tribe living in Jerusalem when Northern Israel was utterly taken away who had long multiplied by the time Jesus appeared.  

 

So some of us do understand who they are that are scattered abroad and being spoken of & they are not who you are being taught they are .. do not confuse the 2nd gathering at the 2nd coming period where the lost tribes who are scattered to the 4 winds and called to finally reunite with their brethren with the 12 tribes actually being spoken of by James & co which you are being taught to do right now.

 

 

 

James was a Jew according to the flesh. He wrote to the twelve tribes (Jews) they're also his brethren.

 

And since this is doctrinally pointed to the last days, where the tribes are recognized again and sealed, they become "believers" and thus "brethren"

 

Not so .. I already pointed out who those brethren were .. believers .. not fellow countrymen, but spiritual brethren.

 

In the below, in James, this same group you are claiming were just James' fellow countrymen (Jews), well they were told this also :

 

James 5:

 

7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

 

8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

 

They were being told the Lord has long patience, so it will be a long time off before this group "meets the Lord", yet verse 8 seems to contradict the verse above it .. do you understand why verse 8 speaks as it does, being at first glance a contradiction?

 

Or the meaning of the early & latter rain usage?

 

If you do not know, ask & I will share it with you.

 

Oh, InSaesonOut, sometimes I am blunt, please do not think I am attacking you personally, I am doctrine focussed & not person focussed when I write ..

 

Have a nice day.

 

Regards.

[Last Daze]

 

 

Yet its Jesus who is opening the 5th seal, 5th seal opens then saints die, 5th seal closed saints don’t die. This is the realm of your confusion.

 

Lets please refer to Rev 6:9

 

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

 

Now can you please, In fact I challenge anyone to please show me that the opening of the 5th seal was the cause of the saints being killed? Does John witness the killings of these saints as soon as the 5th seal is open? Are they being decapitated in front of him? Are they being shot infront of him? Are they busy having their throats slit in front of him? Where in Rev 6:9 do we read the saints are in their physical bodies being executed?

 

John clearly seas saints who WERE slain, John did not witness their killings, therefore the saints killings happened prior to the 5th seal, the 5th seal is not the cause of the saints killings, were in the text does it indicate that the 5th seal is the cause of the saints killings?

 

 

Hey inchrist,

 

As I see it, the opening of the seals sets certain events in motion.  Looking at the entire fifth seal:

 

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.  Rev 6:9-11

 

This shows those who had been martyred for the name of Christ are wanting vengeance and they are told to wait a little while longer.  Why are they told to wait?  The implication is that there are more martyrs yet to join them.

 

It makes perfect sense to me that fifth seal corresponds with the "worship the image or die" ultimatum and that many martyrs come out of this time of great tribulation.

 

 

The point im stressing is the 5th seal is not the cause of the martyrs, and by the witness of John's text indicates their deaths happens prior to the 5th seal.... below is the image of Egyptian christians executed, 

 

We need to ask ourselves is the 5th seal already opened?

 

 

 

I guess that depends on how you view the first four seals.  I don't see anything that precludes it from being a specific time of martyrdom associated with the AoD.

[Serving]

 

 

 

Yet its Jesus who is opening the 5th seal, 5th seal opens then saints die, 5th seal closed saints don’t die. This is the realm of your confusion.

 

Lets please refer to Rev 6:9

 

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

 

Now can you please, In fact I challenge anyone to please show me that the opening of the 5th seal was the cause of the saints being killed? Does John witness the killings of these saints as soon as the 5th seal is open? Are they being decapitated in front of him? Are they being shot infront of him? Are they busy having their throats slit in front of him? Where in Rev 6:9 do we read the saints are in their physical bodies being executed?

 

John clearly seas saints who WERE slain, John did not witness their killings, therefore the saints killings happened prior to the 5th seal, the 5th seal is not the cause of the saints killings, were in the text does it indicate that the 5th seal is the cause of the saints killings?

 

 

Hey inchrist,

 

As I see it, the opening of the seals sets certain events in motion.  Looking at the entire fifth seal:

 

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.  Rev 6:9-11

 

This shows those who had been martyred for the name of Christ are wanting vengeance and they are told to wait a little while longer.  Why are they told to wait?  The implication is that there are more martyrs yet to join them.

 

It makes perfect sense to me that fifth seal corresponds with the "worship the image or die" ultimatum and that many martyrs come out of this time of great tribulation.

 

 

The point im stressing is the 5th seal is not the cause of the martyrs, and by the witness of John's text indicates their deaths happens prior to the 5th seal.... below is the image of Egyptian christians executed, 

 

We need to ask ourselves is the 5th seal already opened?

 

 

 

I guess that depends on how you view the first four seals.  I don't see anything that precludes it from being a specific time of martyrdom associated with the AoD.

 

 

Short, direct, accurate & well explained brother.

 

I agree with what you've said 100% ..

 

God bless.

[InSeasonOut]

 

 

See how the body of Christ can't go into any part of the 70th week?

 

 

The 70th week is done, finished, over.  It finished when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.

 

 

 

 

What?!?!... Wow okay no wonder you are confused....

How long have you been studying the Bible? Do you study? or parrot what you've been told?

If you are saying you're amillenial then that is the most shameful belief any professing Christian can make.

Don't bother responding, im not gonna read it. Get the basics of eschatology straightened out.

[firestormx]

 

 

 

Now good day to you and may God bless you.   

 

 

You very sensitive, how is testing your doctrine not for profit? Is your doctrine above reproach?

 

Your denial of scripture in regards to the Joel event MUST precede the wrath of God is  not letting scripture define when his wrath begins.

 

 

 

I did say to you, that you have my full attention and we will get to Joel, why do you feel the need to rush through things? Is not spending time in God’s word profitable? 

 

The beginning of sorrows.

 

 

 

You seem to overlook the fact that primary and secondary agency both belong to God's wrath.

 

Would anyone deny that the Northern Kingdom had been judged by God because Assyria conquered her? Did the Southern Kingdom escape the wrath of God for her sin because the instrument of judgment was Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon?

 

Then why should anyone think that because the early seals and trumpets relate to famine and war as well as natural phenomena that they cannot and are not expressions of the wrath of God? Which you have failed to address.

 

For you to openly deny the basic truth to say that a judgment which reduces the world’s population by a fourth has nothing to do with the wrath of God is well simply incredulous.

 

This truly begs the question; if the first 3½ years are the beginning birth pangs and if the period prior to the Day of the Lord is the time of hard labor (the Great Tribulation), then what kind of pains are there during the day of the Lord? 

 

Lets use an analogy : A woman has just gone through labor and just given birth, this woman now relieved, a prewrath doctor would tell this woman: “Oh don’t worry your worse time is till to come”

 

why I say the 5th seal is about the killing of the saints.

 

 

I’m glad you said this because this is where you completely contradict your doctrine, or rather your doctrine is in a state of confusion

I also want to post what you said to InSeasonOut

 

How can that be? Have you read the 5th seal? It's the killing of the saints. If everything from the first seal onward is the wrath of God then the killing of the saints of God is God's wrath. Let me say that again, killing God's saints is God's wrath. How is that even possible?

 

 

Basically what your saying is the 5th seal is the cause of the killings of the Saints, If the 5th seal wasn’t opened then by logic the saints would be alive, the 5th seal opened saints killed, 5th seal not opened saints not killed, yet in your confusion your advocating that the instigate of the opening of the 5th seal is the cause of the martyrdom.

 

Yet its Jesus who is opening the 5th seal, 5th seal opens then saints die, 5th seal closed saints don’t die. This is the realm of your confusion.

 

Lets please refer to Rev 6:9

 

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

 

Now can you please, In fact I challenge anyone to please show me that the opening of the 5th seal was the cause of the saints being killed? Does John witness the killings of these saints as soon as the 5th seal is open? Are they being decapitated in front of him? Are they being shot infront of him? Are they busy having their throats slit in front of him? Where in Rev 6:9 do we read the saints are in their physical bodies being executed?

 

John clearly seas saints who WERE slain, John did not witness their killings, therefore the saints killings happened prior to the 5th seal, the 5th seal is not the cause of the saints killings, were in the text does it indicate that the 5th seal is the cause of the saints killings?

 

If you keep persisting the 5th seal is the cause of the saints being killed, Its Jesus who opens the 5th seal not satan not any man but Jesus, how does that fit into your we are not subject to Gods wrath?

 

Firestormx it is clear you lack knowledge of any rendering or understanding of verse 6:9 or actually even bothered to red Rev 6:9

 

Joel 2:30 -31

 

Firstly within the prophecy of Joel, not all cosmic-sign passages refer to events that must precede the coming wrath of God in the day of the LORD.

Nevertheless you have already shown such a conglomerate package of utter confusion, talk about square pegs in round holes.

 

Firstly it would help to read from the beginning of Joel 2:1 to  set the context of what exactly is going on.

 

In Joel 2:1–11, the prophet describes the attack on Jerusalem by the King of the North. In verse 20, Joel points out the king's defeat. This description parallels Daniel 11:36-45, our midpoint.

 

Now watch this in Joel 2:10 - 11, the prophet describes the period as the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD.

 

Joel 2:12–27 discusses the establishment of the millennium (see especially verses 24–27).

 

In verses 28–32, the prophet returns to his discussion of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD, but does so in reverse order. In verses 28 and 29, he describes events that will occur "afterward," in other words, after the second half of the seventieth week but just before the millennium.

 

In verses 30,32, he describes events that will occur just "before" the second half of the week. The word before can refer to an event which is first in a series. 

 

To give you a better analogy: Lets say I was holding an hour long lecture, before the lecture starts I say class lets pray. The opening prayer precedes all of the events of the class hour but is still a part of that hour.

 

  I Wasn't going to post, and after this I won't. But after feeling attacked and purposefully misrepresented by this post i felt the need to respond.

 

  First and for most I never said my doctrine was above reproach, I find your leaps to this kind of thinking ( you must think your above reproach ) It's  Passive aggressive manipulative and unchristian. I never one time said my doctrine was above reproach, never suggested it. I meant what I said. Your mind is not being changed, my mind is not being changed, what is the point in continuing. I don't see it. If you can't accept that then fine but don't attack my character simply because you don't agree with my understanding of prophecy.

 

2nd, You are completely off base and clearly have never studied The Day of the Lord and God's wrath. I completely disagree with your understanding of Joel 2 30-31.

 

3rd, In regards to the 5th seal, God's saints have always been persecuted and always will until Jesus returns. That is irrelevant to the 5th seal, if you study Daniel , the gospels and revelation then you see a single event of mass killing of God's saints that in every book of prophecy always happens around the AoD. This event of mass killing is what I believe is the 5th seal. It is what is meant by, wait until your fellow brethren join you ( not an exact quote of revelation ) . Not that some christians won't continue to be killed , but this one mass event will begin and end.

 

You keep saying since Jesus opens the seal then it has to be his wrath, well then you believe it was God's wrath poured  out onto Job then don't you? God did the things to Job, it was God's wrath poured out onto Job correct? Because it's no different. See, the breaking of the seals is not the wrath, it is what is on the scroll sealed by seven seals that is God's wrath unleashed .  Breaking the seals is just the preparation and the last of what is necessary to get to what is on the scroll which is God's wrath.  It's not the 7 seals that are important, but the scroll and what it contains. You can't get at what the scroll contains ( God's wrath ) until all 7 seals are broken and you can completely open the scroll . 

 

Now I'm done, Next time I will not respond despite the passive aggressive manipulation , " You think your above reproach " .

 

Firestormx

[Serving]

 

 

 

See how the body of Christ can't go into any part of the 70th week?

 

 

The 70th week is done, finished, over.  It finished when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.

 

 

 

 

What?!?!... Wow okay no wonder you are confused....

How long have you been studying the Bible? Do you study? or parrot what you've been told?

If you are saying you're amillenial then that is the most shameful belief any professing Christian can make.

Don't bother responding, im not gonna read it. Get the basics of eschatology straightened out.

 

 

InSeasonOut,

 

Brother that was unnecessary.

 

I can understand you are probably very frustrated at all the resistance you are getting but try to keep it in the Spirit of Christ .. there is nothing wrong with being blunt but Christ does not like us mocking each other or anyone for that matter. 

 

Just walk away for a bit when you get revved up .. make a coffee & take a deep breath .. but keep it in the Spirit of Christ please because it doesn't look good.

 

Regards

[InSeasonOut]

 

 

 

 

See how the body of Christ can't go into any part of the 70th week?

 

 

The 70th week is done, finished, over.  It finished when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.

 

 

 

 

What?!?!... Wow okay no wonder you are confused....

How long have you been studying the Bible? Do you study? or parrot what you've been told?

If you are saying you're amillenial then that is the most shameful belief any professing Christian can make.

Don't bother responding, im not gonna read it. Get the basics of eschatology straightened out.

 

 

InSeasonOut,

 

Brother that was unnecessary.

 

I can understand you are probably very frustrated at all the resistance you are getting but try to keep it in the Spirit of Christ .. there is nothing wrong with being blunt but Christ does not like us mocking each other or anyone for that matter. 

 

Just walk away for a bit when you get revved up .. make a coffee & take a deep breath .. but keep it in the Spirit of Christ please because it doesn't look good.

 

Regards

 

 

I agree... After i walked away, i realized that was a fleshy response. As you can tell i was very frustrated. I shouldn't have let that get under my skin.

Sorry Sister.

[Last Daze]

 

 

 

 

Yet its Jesus who is opening the 5th seal, 5th seal opens then saints die, 5th seal closed saints don’t die. This is the realm of your confusion.

 

Lets please refer to Rev 6:9

 

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

 

Now can you please, In fact I challenge anyone to please show me that the opening of the 5th seal was the cause of the saints being killed? Does John witness the killings of these saints as soon as the 5th seal is open? Are they being decapitated in front of him? Are they being shot infront of him? Are they busy having their throats slit in front of him? Where in Rev 6:9 do we read the saints are in their physical bodies being executed?

 

John clearly seas saints who WERE slain, John did not witness their killings, therefore the saints killings happened prior to the 5th seal, the 5th seal is not the cause of the saints killings, were in the text does it indicate that the 5th seal is the cause of the saints killings?

 

Hey inchrist,

 

As I see it, the opening of the seals sets certain events in motion.  Looking at the entire fifth seal:

 

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.  Rev 6:9-11

 

This shows those who had been martyred for the name of Christ are wanting vengeance and they are told to wait a little while longer.  Why are they told to wait?  The implication is that there are more martyrs yet to join them.

 

It makes perfect sense to me that fifth seal corresponds with the "worship the image or die" ultimatum and that many martyrs come out of this time of great tribulation.

 

The point im stressing is the 5th seal is not the cause of the martyrs, and by the witness of John's text indicates their deaths happens prior to the 5th seal.... below is the image of Egyptian christians executed, 

 

We need to ask ourselves is the 5th seal already opened?

 

I guess that depends on how you view the first four seals.  I don't see anything that precludes it from being a specific time of martyrdom associated with the AoD.

Well nor do I but you did try associate it with the worship of the image, fact remains prewrath rapture is sitting on dangerous grounds.

Jesus is the one who is opening all the seals, the prewrath claim that the 5th seal is the cause of the martyrdom. This violates Gods promise that his saints are spared from His wrath...would make God a liar. Clearly the 5th seal is not the cause of the martyrdom. And keeps intact the 5th seal is still part of God's wrath along with all the other seals.

 

 

As I see it, the abomination of desolation (AoD) has a natural as well as a spiritual component to it.  Let the reader understand.  Israel is affected first and then her offspring.

 

The natural abomination?  The false prophet declaring himself to be God in the temple.

The natural desolation?  Israel fleeing into the wilderness for 1260 days.

 

The spiritual abomination?  The false prophet demands worship as God.

The spiritual desolation?  Believers refuse to worship the image and are put to death.

 

The image of the beast is a code of laws that affirms the false prophet's claim to be God.  Those who don't abide by it are put to death.  The fifth seal pertains to this time of great tribulation.

[Serving]

 

 

 

 

 

See how the body of Christ can't go into any part of the 70th week?

 

 

The 70th week is done, finished, over.  It finished when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.

 

 

 

 

What?!?!... Wow okay no wonder you are confused....

How long have you been studying the Bible? Do you study? or parrot what you've been told?

If you are saying you're amillenial then that is the most shameful belief any professing Christian can make.

Don't bother responding, im not gonna read it. Get the basics of eschatology straightened out.

 

 

InSeasonOut,

 

Brother that was unnecessary.

 

I can understand you are probably very frustrated at all the resistance you are getting but try to keep it in the Spirit of Christ .. there is nothing wrong with being blunt but Christ does not like us mocking each other or anyone for that matter. 

 

Just walk away for a bit when you get revved up .. make a coffee & take a deep breath .. but keep it in the Spirit of Christ please because it doesn't look good.

 

Regards

 

 

I agree... After i walked away, i realized that was a fleshy response. As you can tell i was very frustrated. I shouldn't have let that get under my skin.

Sorry Sister.

 

 

Good on you InSeason .. I had a pretty good idea why you spoke that way .. we all get frustrated bro.

 

God bless.

[Sister]

 

 

 

 

 

See how the body of Christ can't go into any part of the 70th week?

 

 

The 70th week is done, finished, over.  It finished when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.

 

 

 

 

What?!?!... Wow okay no wonder you are confused....

How long have you been studying the Bible? Do you study? or parrot what you've been told?

If you are saying you're amillenial then that is the most shameful belief any professing Christian can make.

Don't bother responding, im not gonna read it. Get the basics of eschatology straightened out.

 

 

InSeasonOut,

 

Brother that was unnecessary.

 

I can understand you are probably very frustrated at all the resistance you are getting but try to keep it in the Spirit of Christ .. there is nothing wrong with being blunt but Christ does not like us mocking each other or anyone for that matter. 

 

Just walk away for a bit when you get revved up .. make a coffee & take a deep breath .. but keep it in the Spirit of Christ please because it doesn't look good.

 

Regards

 

 

I agree... After i walked away, i realized that was a fleshy response. As you can tell i was very frustrated. I shouldn't have let that get under my skin.

Sorry Sister.

 

InseasonOut

 

Thank you for the apology and I forgive you.

If we are going to come on here and have dialogue with one an other we have to be pretty thick skinned!

 

We should not take anything personal for we are only discussing doctrines.

I only speak about things I am confident about and can always back up what I say.

Now this is not a personal attack on you or anyone, because I love everyone here,

But we should always defend with scriptures and with reasoning.

 

but I do testify that the 70th week doctrine, and it is a NEW DOCTRINE, that placing it in the end times, holds no water.

I see everybody speaking about it and I always shake my head. 

There is a "falling away" happening right now, and the truth is being distorted.  Everyone is going along with this doctrine not even studying carefully what Daniel is speaking about.

 

That prophecy in Daniel was concerning the building of the second temple to it's destruction (70AD) - That's it.  The 70 weeks is over.  The prophecy was for that period of 490 yrs or so.

The missing week is from when the angel gave the commandment to rebuild the temple, to the actual starting date of rebuilding.  One week passed here, and it's not pointed out plainly but we can work it out, that this is that missing week. 

 

Since the destruction of the temple, desolations are determined until the consummation (the coming).

70AD was the cut off point for Israel.  If they were not going to believe all the witness accounts of Christ by then, when it was still fresh, which they did not as a nation, then they will be included in the curse.  This curse is a spiritual desolation, being blinded until Christ returns, then he will open their eyes.

Not only will Israel be desolate, but the whole world, including the christian world where the falling away takes place.