Ezra Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 So, the U.S. as a country, is not under judgement, as we know there have been no prophets giving a warning. This is quite incorrect. There have been (and presently are) many *prophets* -- Christians -- who have been giving the USA warning after warning. The country is not entirely under judgment, but God has also been giving America warning after warning, while beginning His judgments. When God causes a nation to choose foolish and blind leaders, some of whom are actually traitors, that too should be regarded as a judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 So, the U.S. as a country, is not under judgement, as we know there have been no prophets giving a warning. This is quite incorrect. There have been (and presently are) many *prophets* -- Christians -- who have been giving the USA warning after warning. The country is not entirely under judgment, but God has also been giving America warning after warning, while beginning His judgments. When God causes a nation to choose foolish and blind leaders, some of whom are actually traitors, that too should be regarded as a judgment. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, I disagree that we are under judgment and I do not believe that God put Barack H, Obama in the White House...... I believe that we no longer deserve his protection and he has simply left us to our own peril..... Humans don't need the Help of God to destroy themselves from the inside out as we are doing our country today...... we just need to loose his guidance which we have.... Real judgment comes like Sodom.... Real Judgment will leave us with nothing instantly.... but removing protection will simply let Satan talk us into destroying ourselves and looks like we are getting the hang of it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, I disagree that we are under judgment and I do not believe that God put Barack H, Obama in the White House...... I believe that we no longer deserve his protection and he has simply left us to our own peril..... Humans don't need the Help of God to destroy themselves from the inside out as we are doing our country today...... we just need to loose his guidance which we have.... Real judgment comes like Sodom.... Real Judgment will leave us with nothing instantly.... but removing protection will simply let Satan talk us into destroying ourselves and looks like we are getting the hang of it pretty well. Everything that is happening in our world and in our lives God has control over and is in God's plan.We have never deserved God's protection but because of his grace we have that protection as a believer.And that means putting Obama in office for His grace and the plan He has for this world..It is our choice to follow God or not and suffer the consequences.Real judgment comes from God and he will judge this world with His wrath in the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, I disagree that we are under judgment and I do not believe that God put Barack H, Obama in the White House...... I believe that we no longer deserve his protection and he has simply left us to our own peril..... Humans don't need the Help of God to destroy themselves from the inside out as we are doing our country today...... we just need to loose his guidance which we have.... Real judgment comes like Sodom.... Real Judgment will leave us with nothing instantly.... but removing protection will simply let Satan talk us into destroying ourselves and looks like we are getting the hang of it pretty well. Everything that is happening in our world and in our lives God has control over and is in God's plan.We have never deserved God's protection but because of his grace we have that protection as a believer.And that means putting Obama in office for His grace and the plan He has for this world..It is our choice to follow God or not and suffer the consequences.Real judgment comes from God and he will judge this world with His wrath in the tribulation. then God planned and carried out 53 million abortions that took the lives of totally helpless babies over the past years..... I would agree that Gods plan was to let satan run amuck on this planet talking us into doing the most ungodly things....... but I would never agree that those ungodly things were his idea or his "Plan". he does have the power to stop it anytime, but this world belongs to satan, and according to the book of Revelation, will not be his until the seventh trump sounds and Jesus comes back and takes it violently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, I disagree that we are under judgment and I do not believe that God put Barack H, Obama in the White House...... I believe that we no longer deserve his protection and he has simply left us to our own peril..... Humans don't need the Help of God to destroy themselves from the inside out as we are doing our country today...... we just need to loose his guidance which we have.... Real judgment comes like Sodom.... Real Judgment will leave us with nothing instantly.... but removing protection will simply let Satan talk us into destroying ourselves and looks like we are getting the hang of it pretty well. Everything that is happening in our world and in our lives God has control over and is in God's plan.We have never deserved God's protection but because of his grace we have that protection as a believer.And that means putting Obama in office for His grace and the plan He has for this world..It is our choice to follow God or not and suffer the consequences.Real judgment comes from God and he will judge this world with His wrath in the tribulation. then God planned and carried out 53 million abortions that took the lives of totally helpless babies over the past years..... I would agree that Gods plan was to let satan run amuck on this planet talking us into doing the most ungodly things....... but I would never agree that those ungodly things were his idea or his "Plan". he does have the power to stop it anytime, but this world belongs to satan, and according to the book of Revelation, will not be his until the seventh trump sounds and Jesus comes back and takes it violently.... Question: "How can I believe in the goodness of God when there is so much evil in the world?" Answer: The evil in the world did not come from God. If Adam and Eve had only obeyed God, then they may have lived on earth forever, walking with God, tending the garden, working together—what might God’s “Plan A” have been? After they sinned, the created ones were just not on the same page with God anymore. God cannot tolerate sin and has no sin within Himself, so mankind hid from God in guilt and fear. One could perhaps blame Adam and Eve for the evil in the world, as they blamed each other and the serpent; however, “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). It is safe to say that, had we been in the garden instead of Adam and Eve, we would have sinned in the same way.God is good in that He has a plan to redeem fallen mankind. The salvation Jesus provides attests to His goodness and love (Romans 5:8). The effect of the Fall is universal, but so also is the offer of divine grace (John 3:16). The Bible clearly indicates the devastating effects of sin upon man and the hopelessness of man in solving his own sin problem. The proper understanding of the doctrine of sin is essential to understanding God’s remedy for it. God is good in that He has sent His Son “to destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8). Jesus called Satan “the ruler of this world” (John 12:31), which means Satan has been allowed a certain amount of authority over this earth. The blame for the evil in this world should be placed squarely upon Satan. Much is written about the devil—he comes only to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10). He is a fierce enemy (1 Peter 5:8). He is a liar and a murderer (John 8:44). By contrast, Jesus is the Good Shepherd who gives His life for the sheep (John 10:11). He is the Lamb of God, sacrificed for us (Revelation 5:6). He is the truth and the life (John 14:6). Jesus is the “seed of the woman” to crush the serpent’s head (Genesis 3:15). Jesus is Goodness incarnate.God is good in that He is implementing a plan to rid the universe of evil once and for all. He is the God of justice, and He will one day make all things right (Psalm 89:14; Revelation 21:5). Sin and evil will be dealt with in perfect judgment (Revelation 20:13). Because of Christ, we have the promise of Romans 16:20, “The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.”God is good in that He provides for His children (Matthew 6:33). He gives life to all and upholds all things by His wisdom and power (Hebrews 1:3). He is patient with sinners, desiring them to come to repentance and find eternal life (2 Peter 3:9). God gives us eternal life and abundant life now, free from the death penalty of sin (Romans 6:23). He is “rich in mercy” because of “His great love for us” (Ephesians 2:4).Just picture the Sinless One who created everything, willfully hanging on a cross and spilling His blood for the sin of those who put their faith in Him. Who can charge Him with injustice (Romans 9:14)? Jesus proves God’s love. “Love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love” (1 John 4:7-8). http://www.gotquestions.org/goodness-of-God.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Dawn Posted August 3, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 277 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 270 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/13/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1967 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I don't know if we are truly being "judged" at this point...but I dread the day our leaders turn their backs on Israel. At that point there may no longer be a question as to if we are being judged by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qnts2 Posted August 4, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,875 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 1,336 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/13/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2015 So, the U.S. as a country, is not under judgement, as we know there have been no prophets giving a warning. This is quite incorrect. There have been (and presently are) many *prophets* -- Christians -- who have been giving the USA warning after warning. The country is not entirely under judgment, but God has also been giving America warning after warning, while beginning His judgments. When God causes a nation to choose foolish and blind leaders, some of whom are actually traitors, that too should be regarded as a judgment. I have heard a lot of Christians saying what is happening is terrible, horrible, sinful, etc. But, I have yet to hear a prophet. A prophet doesn't just say people are sinning, but warns about judgement, stating what is going to happen if people do not repent. Often, as proof of being a prophet, they will prophesy something which will happen in the near term as confirmation. This has not happened. Plus, we are in the age of grace where God is showing his mercy, calling people to Jesus. The judgement comes after the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 4, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2015 So, the U.S. as a country, is not under judgement, as we know there have been no prophets giving a warning. This is quite incorrect. There have been (and presently are) many *prophets* -- Christians -- who have been giving the USA warning after warning. The country is not entirely under judgment, but God has also been giving America warning after warning, while beginning His judgments. When God causes a nation to choose foolish and blind leaders, some of whom are actually traitors, that too should be regarded as a judgment. I have heard a lot of Christians saying what is happening is terrible, horrible, sinful, etc. But, I have yet to hear a prophet. A prophet doesn't just say people are sinning, but warns about judgement, stating what is going to happen if people do not repent. Often, as proof of being a prophet, they will prophesy something which will happen in the near term as confirmation. This has not happened. Plus, we are in the age of grace where God is showing his mercy, calling people to Jesus. The judgement comes after the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Right. The so-called 'prophets' I see on t.v. are not to be given any credence. I get so angry when I hear someone claim to be a prophet or prophetess. It's disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 4, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.76 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2015 I am thinking now that the full judgment and wrath in our world will pour out during the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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