Appeals court rules Christian-owned pharmacy must sell morning-after p

[archaeologist55]

 

if you are a christian and own a store that sells alcohol isn't that act going against Christian beliefs?  Selling a product may not actually be supporting someone's lifestyle nor going against someone's faith.

 

I would not be too quick to leap to conclusions that may present yourselves as hypocritical.  Christians sell knives and other weapons which are used for purely anti-christian purposes should Christians stop selling everything because products can be used in an anti-christian way?

 

 

There is only ONE use for plan b. Christian pharmacists I know feel quite strongly that they cant sell it. Nothing hypocritical about it. 

 

see my other post about hypocrisy

[Qnts2]

we can go around and around on this all day and I for one do not want to get into an emotional argument or discussion. i would rather that you all keep things in perspective and not label something persecution when it is not.

 

if i were a pharmacist i am sure i would have a problem with selling the pill but then maybe christian pharmacists should stop selling condoms, birth control and other methods that stop pregnancies if they do not want to be seen as hypocritical.

 

As far as the various restrictions in scripture concerning sexual relationships, we do need to look at scripture.

 

The most comprehensive set of laws comes from the Mosaic covenant.

 

There is nothing in the OT about using a condom. (Same with the NT). The closest I can find is the sin of Onan. In the OT, if a married man dies childless, the brother of the man is to take the widow as his wife and bare a child. That child would be considered the deceased brothers child, as linage and children were important for inheritance. Onan did not want to marry the widow of his brother, and did not want the child as the child would be considered his brothers. Onan 'spilled his seed' upon the ground rather then have a child and support that child which would not be legally his and counted towards his linage. Since this is a particular situation which is not practiced in the U.S., it would not apply to the use of condoms. The only potential scripture which might apply would be 'be fruitful and multiply' as condoms were prevent that. 

 

Other birth control methods like the birth control pill (not the morning after pill) would go against being fruitful and multiplying. The rhythm method would go against Mosaic law which specifies when a man and woman can not come together due to the woman being in an unclean state.

 

Abortion and the morning after pill are murder, and would be a violation of both the OT and NT. Other methods of birth control might violate the Mosaic covenant, but not the New Covenant. So for Christians, it is not hypocrisy to sell condoms or any other method of birth control other then abortion and the morning after pill. It is a sin in the NT to commit murder.

[angels4u]

 

if you are a christian and own a store that sells alcohol isn't that act going against Christian beliefs?  Selling a product may not actually be supporting someone's lifestyle nor going against someone's faith.

 

I would not be too quick to leap to conclusions that may present yourselves as hypocritical.  Christians sell knives and other weapons which are used for purely anti-christian purposes should Christians stop selling everything because products can be used in an anti-christian way?

 

 

There is only ONE use for plan b. Christian pharmacists I know feel quite strongly that they cant sell it. Nothing hypocritical about it. 

 

Amen !

[archaeologist55]

Amen !

 

 there is only one use for a gun as well yet you have no problem with gun ownership right?

[archaeologist55]

There is nothing in the OT about using a condom

 

There is nothing in the OT about using computers, flying in planes or sending mail either.  your point is weak and nonsensical.

 

Abortion and the morning after pill are murder, and would be a violation of both the OT and NT. Other methods of birth control might violate the Mosaic covenant, but not the New Covenant.

 

your argument is stretched too thin. other methods would violate the new covenant because they violate do unto others and other passages of scripture, then you need ot make sure which OT rules are replaced by NT ones. Under your logic tattoos are okay under the new covenant yet like homosexuality, God hasn't chnaged his views about our bodies.

 

So for Christians, it is not hypocrisy to sell condoms or any other method of birth control other then abortion and the morning after pill. It is a sin in the NT to commit murder.

 

it is very hypocritical, you need to re-examine your motives and desires before syaing things like that.

[ayin jade]

 

Amen !

 

 there is only one use for a gun as well yet you have no problem with gun ownership right?

 

 

A gun is only used to kill people? 

 

It can be easily used to kill wild game. 

 

 

Anyway, Christian pharmacists do not sell liquor. The pharmacy might but not the pharmacist. Yet the pharmacist is the one who has to sell plan b and refusing is not hypocritical for the Christian pharmacist. 

 

You see it that way, thats your choice. You are not the one selling it anyway. 

 

2 Tim 2

15 Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

16 But shun profane, vain babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

[SINNERSAVED]

Archaeologist55, I just wanted to comment on your last post of selling knives or liquor in a store as a Christian,

selling these things are not against you being a Christian, it is the abuse of the abusor or the handling with out care on that person, people say that Christians are not to drink , I say you are wrong for jesus turned water into wine , but that does not give us the right to abuse the wine, we are allowed to drink but not in excess, and no we do not drink and drive, we do not do things that hurts the body for our body is not of ours it was bought with a price, so anything you can do with out taking it beyond the reasonable limits is being responsible, driving a car is a heavy solid weapon if you hit the gas and run someone over, so it goes to the intent and the mind set of the believer, now we know of things we really should not get into , and those things are  a given, but we need to not place our selves into boxes and say don't do this and don't do that, we are equipt with the holy spirit to guide us in what is right from wrong, watching television is a very bad and dangerous thing for everyone, ,and I believe we as a body should put away the television and read more and spend more time with god, we cannot be too judge mental on people making a living, but we have come into a time in our lives that we need to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh, but our government is slowly taking away the Christian values and our rights as Christians to that even in California it is mandatory to take vaccines for school and there is no longer exception for religious beliefs, so do you really think we are living in the time we can complain, we are in the end times and there are going to be decisions we need to make that will cost us our jobs and friends and even go to jail, we are there in the end times, you have no more constitutional rights ,it is all taken away,i just wanted to share that with you , blessing to you and lets hold on and focus on the cross, we must be strong and endure until the end...

[Qnts2]

 

There is nothing in the OT about using a condom

 

There is nothing in the OT about using computers, flying in planes or sending mail either.  your point is weak and nonsensical.

 

Abortion and the morning after pill are murder, and would be a violation of both the OT and NT. Other methods of birth control might violate the Mosaic covenant, but not the New Covenant.

 

your argument is stretched too thin. other methods would violate the new covenant because they violate do unto others and other passages of scripture, then you need ot make sure which OT rules are replaced by NT ones. Under your logic tattoos are okay under the new covenant yet like homosexuality, God hasn't chnaged his views about our bodies.

 

So for Christians, it is not hypocrisy to sell condoms or any other method of birth control other then abortion and the morning after pill. It is a sin in the NT to commit murder.

 

it is very hypocritical, you need to re-examine your motives and desires before syaing things like that.

 

 

On anything new, which did not exist in OT time, it is best to use the principals in the OT. That is exactly what I did. I took the law and applied it to modern circumstances. By the way, there is no Mosaic law against airplanes or flying airplanes,mail or sending or receiving mail. My point was not non-sensical, although it might appear that way for people who do not use common sense.

 

Believe it or not 'do unto others' is an OT verse.

 

Lev. 19:18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD

 

Also from Judaism, Hillel the Elder (110 bce to 10 ce) said the same thing. Hillel the elder was a very famous Rabbi and teacher who lived before the time of Jesus. A quote from Hillel the Elder:

 

What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn. (Babylonian Talmud Folio Shabbat  31a)

 

In my original post, I clearly took that into account.  

 

As far as being hypocritical, and needing to examine my motives. I was not hypocritical, nor need to examine my motives for that post. Fortunately, God who knows my heart is my judge and not you.

[archaeologist55]

Also from Judaism, Hillel the Elder (110 bce to 10 ce) said the same thing. Hillel the elder was a very famous Rabbi and teacher who lived before the time of Jesus. A quote from Hillel the Elder:

 

I would suggest not insulting people when you discuss with them.

 

I have decided to stop particiating on this thread because it is going nowhere.

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

 

You would be mistaken and you probably misread what I wrote opting to interpret instead of clarify what was said. Or you assumed something that was not intended and that puts the burden upon you not me.  If you do not accept how I intend something then the problem is not with me but with you

 

 

Interesting.  Another poster doesn't agree with you so you proceed to tell them they're doing everything wrong and if they don't see your intent then they have the problem?  With such thinking, how on earth do you even have a conversation with anyone?  Or do you?