The_Patriot21 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,710 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If your faith is truly on God then there's no response for that piece of metal on your door. Now, in reality your right locking your door is common sense. It's a easy simple tool to help keep you safe. But that same logic can be applied to guns. You can say that if you don't own a gun that your testing God. Now, I'm not saying that I don't believe that to be true, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your argument is. There is no scriptural argument against owning a firearm-period. At all. Zip. And using a firearm for self defense or defense of another is indeed biblical. In fact there's more scriptural evidence for owning a weapon-then a lock on your door. So if you don't want one, that's fine. I respect that. But don't question my faith because I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,248 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,496 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If your faith is truly on God then there's no response for that piece of metal on your door. Now, in reality your right locking your door is common sense. It's a easy simple tool to help keep you safe. But that same logic can be applied to guns. You can say that if you don't own a gun that your testing God. Now, I'm not saying that I don't believe that to be true, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your argument is. There is no scriptural argument against owning a firearm-period. At all. Zip. And using a firearm for self defense or defense of another is indeed biblical. In fact there's more scriptural evidence for owning a weapon-then a lock on your door. So if you don't want one, that's fine. I respect that. But don't question my faith because I do.When reasoning skills become this poor: because I do not wish to use carnal weapons against another I also shouldn't have locks on my door ... really this should be a shame for you to have even written this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2015 have really destroyed my respect for several people here.... anyone who would not defend thier families isn't; worth knowing... no different using your hands, a bat, a knife or a gun. all can kill and do.....Isn't worth knowing?That is a strong statement coming from a Christian.It sounds to me that guns are very important to you.the quote on my phone is doing really strange thingshave really destroyed my respect for several people here.... anyone who would not defend thier families isn't; worth knowing... no different using your hands, a bat, a knife or a gun. all can kill and do.....Isn't worth knowing?That is a strong statement coming from a Christian.It sounds to me that guns are very important to you.quot on my cell phone is teallyhave really destroyed my respect for several people here.... anyone who would not defend thier families isn't; worth knowing... no different using your hands, a bat, a knife or a gun. all can kill and do.....Isn't worth knowing?That is a strong statement coming from a Christian.It sounds to me that guns are very importprnt to you.phave really destroyed my respect for several people here.... anyone who would not defend thier families isn't; worth knowing... no different using your hands, a bat, a knife or a gun. all can kill and do.....Isn't worth knowing?That is a strong statement coming from a Christian.It sounds to meKeep in mind that when Jesus sent the first disciples out he told them not to take any money or even an extra coat or a weapon . they didn't have anything to be stolen so they didn't have to worry about people robbing them. The second time that he sent them out he told them to take money and even an extra coat and that they should also take a sword with them. It seems to me that Jesus told them to arm themselves so they could have protection when they carry something worth stealing. I think we should follow suit and carry weapons today that would be a firearm. For me that would be handgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,379 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm done here. This does not glorify God nor edify one another, IN MY OPINION. (which doesn't count anyway). Love all of you in Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,710 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm done here. This does not glorify God nor edify one another, IN MY OPINION. (which doesn't count anyway). Love all of you in Christ!your right, perhaps its time we all took a break from it to cool down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 28 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,710 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,526 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted August 18, 2015 If your faith is truly on God then there's no response for that piece of metal on your door. Now, in reality your right locking your door is common sense. It's a easy simple tool to help keep you safe. But that same logic can be applied to guns. You can say that if you don't own a gun that your testing God. Now, I'm not saying that I don't believe that to be true, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous your argument is. There is no scriptural argument against owning a firearm-period. At all. Zip. And using a firearm for self defense or defense of another is indeed biblical. In fact there's more scriptural evidence for owning a weapon-then a lock on your door. So if you don't want one, that's fine. I respect that. But don't question my faith because I do.When reasoning skills become this poor: because I do not wish to use carnal weapons against another I also shouldn't have locks on my door ... really this should be a shame for you to have even written this!if you ddont want to use carnal weapons against your brother is your choice, I'm not saying your wrong for not owning a weapon. Where I take issue is where you suggest my heart isn't right with God because I do. It is allowed, and just because I own one doesn't mean I lack faith. Nor does it mean I want to use one against another human being, I don't. There is a difference between want, and being willing to do so. I own multiple weapons. I fire hundreds of rounds through them every year. But they have not once, ever, even been remotely been pointed at another human being, nor do I plan to. But on the same note, I firmly believe God has allowed me these weapons for a reason, and self defense is allowed biblically. So please, if you don't want to carry or own a gun fine. But don't judge the faith of those who do, its nowhere near biblical, nor Christlike, to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,248 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,496 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Pat I gave you the answer from the many angles within myself... what you are really doing is to try to force me into thepathway you have chosen for yourself to verify your rightness! I do not presume upon tomorrow nor do I live an etherealwalk with God preplanned so that I am in charge at all times!~! I stated to you my life would be readily given for theirs butI would not use weapon of this world2 Cor 10:4-54 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringinginto captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;KJVthis is where I would be found if the situation occurred and what would become of it all -God Knows Love, Steven first quote below Second quote below no you didn't. Well, you did, you basically, said, in not so many words, that you would just turn a blind eye and allow that woman to be killed. Hmmm. Guess you love the murderer more then the victim. Thats what your actions would say. I guess if your conscience coudld live with that, so be it, but mine could not. You can't take one verse, and base your entire view on the subject off of it, the preservation of life, is a repeated theme throughout the Bible. it would be better to quote me rather than to accuse me of things I did not write! I guess though because you could not quote me anywhere with these accusations you had to frabricate what you think was said... As far as the argument about Jesus not freeing the slaves, let me bring up 2 very important points. One, ive already brought up but I guess it needs repeating, as no one here seems to want to actually read, Jesus DID NOT COME as a king, to fight earthly battles, Jesus came as a sacrificial lamb, He could not be that sacrificial lamb to save the world-if He was overthrowing empires. Second point, what DID Jesus do, if He came upon a situation where lives were at stake? like the woman found in adultery? wait for it, yes, He INTERVENED. He stepped in. He didn't use violence, but neither did He allow that woman to be killed. Lets bring up another example, Jesus, used a whip to physically chase the money changers out of the temple. Thats right, Jesus, used violence, to do what was right. He also, told His disciples to sell their lcoaks and buy real, physical, swords. Throws the entire "Jesus was a pacifist" argument right out the window, shows that whole theory for what it is-false, and entirely, unbiblical. And again, the NT speaks mainly, about the spiritual side of things-but when it comes to the aspect of our physical life on earth, including self defense, it does speak to that, but so does the old testament-which is still relevant today. If you ignore the Old Testament teachings, your are ignoring the very word of God, He made it clear multiple times in the NT (romans and timothy for starters) that the Old Testament is still to be used to define what is sin, what is NOT sin, and for teaching and sound doctrine, and the Old Testament lays it out in black and white when it is-and it is not ok, to use violence. Now, if you don't want to own a gun, thats fine. You don't have to. but not doing anything to protect your family, or an innocent person on the street, "in the name of Jesus" isn't Biblical, it isn't loving, and I dont want to come across as rude, but its nothing more then cowardice. And if your going to say that if your willing to use violence to protect your family that your hearts not right with God, well thats flat out judgemental, for one, and clearly, not Biblical, for second. You can't say that. You don't know where my hearts at, but I do know what the Bible says.By not dividing the Scripture properly as God has from OT / NT: Eph 3:1-93 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of thedispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward: 3 How that by revelation hemade known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read,ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was notmade known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophetsby the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakersof his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who amless than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentilesthe unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of themystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all thingsby Jesus Christ:KJVuntil you can reason this main division from OT to NT according to God your understanding of God's Word will be skewed and we cannot reason together... 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other one Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,188 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,910 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2015 have really destroyed my respect for several people here.... anyone who would not defend thier families isn't; worth knowing... no different using your hands, a bat, a knife or a gun. all can kill and do.....Isn't worth knowing?That is a strong statement coming from a Christian.It sounds to me that guns are very important to you.that statement really has nothing to do with guns peep..... reading through a lot of these posts, it seems that people would just set around while thier families were harmed..... expecting God to protect them and if he didn't then that's ok for he is in charge..... you may feel that way yourself, but I don't hang with people who would do that........ call me a bad christian if you wish, but I would die before someone hurt my family.... a gun handy or not... all a gun is, is a tool to equalize my 68 years old handicapped body with young hoodlums.Are guns important to me...... hard to say, I have had them since I was seven and I haven't killed anyone yet.... but I did kill a dog that was trying to eat my leg years ago...... and several times I did not have to confront hoodlums by simply raising my shirt tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2015 That is your choice.Carry a weapon.My choice is to have faith in God to protect my son and myself.I have been working on faith and having total trust in God now for awhile.Asking him to increase my faith each and every day.Guess what?That is exactly what He is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,248 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,496 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2015 It would seem the best of common sense to trust One Who knows by sight everything that will ever be rather than myself who cannot even peer into the next moment that is to come! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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