What is partaking of Homosexuality?

[firestormx]

The bible says we as Christians are not to partake in the sins of another. Homosexuality is a sin. So why is baking a cake for them sin or against Christian beliefs? What I am having trouble with is this. Jesus was called a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners because that's who he was around most of the time. One of his first miracles in the book of John is turning water in to wine at a wedding after everyone had gotten drunk. If Jesus can create wine and be at a wedding where people are going to drink the wine he just made ( after they have already been drinking a good while ) to get drunk. If Jesus can be around " sinners " all the time to the point that people call Jesus a drunk and a glutton , Then why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

 

Firestormx

[Ezra]

 why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

1. First of all it is NOT a "gay" wedding but a wretched wedding.  Paul says that the things which are done are not even to be mentioned because they are so filthy.

2. Homosexual unions are condemned and judged in Scripture, not celebrated with cakes.  Lot's wife was judged for even looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah.  Think about that.

3. God hates the sin and loves the sinner. Therefore the only message to give to homosexuals (as to all sinners) is repent and be converted.

4. Therefore baking a cake for a homosexual "wedding" (a perversion of the word) is giving approval to that which is condemned by God.  A homosexual wedding is actually a Satanic attack against lawful marriage and lawful unions.

Edited August 13, 2015 by Ezra

[Guest]

firestormx,

So, how do you think it would go over if you started talking about sin and Christ around a GLBT gathering? There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, with baking a cake for a gay wedding. However, they should have the right to decline to make that cake if they so choose. Jesus was accused of hanging with drunks and gluttons (where in scripture does it say that He was called a drunk or a glutton?), but while he did, he spoke of sin and the need for them to repent and "sin no more."

Edited August 13, 2015 by Rick_Parker
to show whom post is addressed to.

[Guest shiloh357]

The bible says we as Christians are not to partake in the sins of another. Homosexuality is a sin. So why is baking a cake for them sin or against Christian beliefs? What I am having trouble with is this. Jesus was called a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners because that's who he was around most of the time. One of his first miracles in the book of John is turning water in to wine at a wedding after everyone had gotten drunk. If Jesus can create wine and be at a wedding where people are going to drink the wine he just made ( after they have already been drinking a good while ) to get drunk. If Jesus can be around " sinners " all the time to the point that people call Jesus a drunk and a glutton , Then why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

 

Firestormx

Marriage is God's domain.  He created marriage.   Gay who wed do not have a marriage because God and God alone defines what marriage is.  Gay "marriage"  is a perversion of God's prescription for marriage and human sexuality and he calls it an abomination.   That would include anything in the peripheral that goes with it, such as wedding cakes, photography, and providing any other goods an services to facilitate that kind of event.

We as believers cannot, biblically, lend our resources/services to facilitate and enable what God has stated clearly that he hates.

This has nothing in common with Jesus being willing to seen with sinners.   Jesus didn't avoid sinners, but Jesus didn't participate in, or enable their sinful habits or lifestyle.    Jesus was called a glutton and drunk by his enemies, those who were lying to discredit him all of the time.  You can't go by their words.   Jesus was neither a glutton nor a drunk.  It was just a slander that was issued against Jesus when they couldn't find a legitimate reason to hate him.

[firestormx]

The bible says we as Christians are not to partake in the sins of another. Homosexuality is a sin. So why is baking a cake for them sin or against Christian beliefs? What I am having trouble with is this. Jesus was called a drunk and a glutton and a friend of sinners because that's who he was around most of the time. One of his first miracles in the book of John is turning water in to wine at a wedding after everyone had gotten drunk. If Jesus can create wine and be at a wedding where people are going to drink the wine he just made ( after they have already been drinking a good while ) to get drunk. If Jesus can be around " sinners " all the time to the point that people call Jesus a drunk and a glutton , Then why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

 

Firestormx

Marriage is God's domain.  He created marriage.   Gay who wed do not have a marriage because God and God alone defines what marriage is.  Gay "marriage"  is a perversion of God's prescription for marriage and human sexuality and he calls it an abomination.   That would include anything in the peripheral that goes with it, such as wedding cakes, photography, and providing any other goods an services to facilitate that kind of event.

We as believers cannot, biblically, lend our resources/services to facilitate and enable what God has stated clearly that he hates.

This has nothing in common with Jesus being willing to seen with sinners.   Jesus didn't avoid sinners, but Jesus didn't participate in, or enable their sinful habits or lifestyle.    Jesus was called a glutton and drunk by his enemies, those who were lying to discredit him all of the time.  You can't go by their words.   Jesus was neither a glutton nor a drunk.  It was just a slander that was issued against Jesus when they couldn't find a legitimate reason to hate him.

What about Jesus making the wine at the wedding, wasn't that enabling the people at the wedding to get drunk?

Edited August 13, 2015 by firestormx

[firestormx]

 why is it wrong to bake a cake for a gay wedding?

1. First of all it is NOT a "gay" wedding but a wretched wedding.  Paul says that the things which are done are not even to be mentioned because they are so filthy.

2. Homosexual unions are condemned and judged in Scripture, not celebrated with cakes.  Lot's wife was judged for even looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah.  Think about that.

3. God hates the sin and loves the sinner. Therefore the only message to give to homosexuals (as to all sinners) is repent and be converted.

4. Therefore baking a cake for a homosexual "wedding" (a perversion of the word) is giving approval to that which is condemned by God.  A homosexual wedding is actually a Satanic attack against lawful marriage and lawful unions.

Would you bake a cake then for someone marrying there mistress. Would you be just as outraged? My motive for this is simple. I am trying to understand the difference between Partaking in the sin and being around sinners. 

[other one]

It's not the act of getting drunk that is a sin, it's what you do when you are drunk.....       When Noah was drunk minding his own business and his son sinned God  didn't say anything to Noah that we are told about.      When Lot got drunk and his daughters got themselves pregnant with him, did God do anything to Lot or even tell him not to drink.....

 

We are responsible for what do do and say no matter what kind of mental state we are in concerning drugs.

Edited August 13, 2015 by other one

[firestormx]

firestormx,

So, how do you think it would go over if you started talking about sin and Christ around a GLBT gathering? There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, with baking a cake for a gay wedding. However, they should have the right to decline to make that cake if they so choose. Jesus was accused of hanging with drunks and gluttons (where in scripture does it say that He was called a drunk or a glutton?), but while he did, he spoke of sin and the need for them to repent and "sin no more."

Matthew 11:19 is one place Jesus says he is called a drunkard . Look from a legal stand point only I am of the position that all private business owners should have the right to refuse service for any reason. I'm just trying to understand the difference between partaking in the sin and being around the sinner. Nobody is asking them to have homosexual sex just bake a cake? Just trying to understand the difference, trying to understand where the line is.

[firestormx]

It's not the act of getting drunk that is a sin, it's what you do when you are drunk.....       When Noah was drunk minding his own business and his son sinned God  didn't say anything to Noah that we are told about.      When Lot got drunk and his daughters got themselves pregnant with him, did God do anything to Lot or even tell him not to drink.....

 

We are responsible for what do do and say no matter what kind of mental state we are in concerning drugs.

You make good points, I had not thought of it that way before.

[other one]

firestormx,

So, how do you think it would go over if you started talking about sin and Christ around a GLBT gathering? There is nothing wrong, in my opinion, with baking a cake for a gay wedding. However, they should have the right to decline to make that cake if they so choose. Jesus was accused of hanging with drunks and gluttons (where in scripture does it say that He was called a drunk or a glutton?), but while he did, he spoke of sin and the need for them to repent and "sin no more."

Matthew 11:19 is one place Jesus says he is called a drunkard . Look from a legal stand point only I am of the position that all private business owners should have the right to refuse service for any reason. I'm just trying to understand the difference between partaking in the sin and being around the sinner. Nobody is asking them to have homosexual sex just bake a cake? Just trying to understand the difference, trying to understand where the line is.

that is a good question firestormx....     I don't think I have really looked at it that close.