Pope Francis: Revising the Ten Commandments

[thereselittleflower]

 

 

TY s.  I really appreciate you answering my questions.

When did you first come to the realization that Catholics don't have faith in Jesus Christ?

 

When Catholics told me how they viewed salvation.

 

There's the problem right there Shiloh.

The source of your information.

 

You've formed your opinions of what the Catholic Church teaches from those unqualified to tell you what the Catholic Church teaches because they never properly understood what the Catholic Church teaches because they were never properly catechized in the Catholic Church.

I've explained how poorly catechized Catholics were since the middle of the last century to you before.

 

Until you are willing to throw out what you think you know about the Catholic Church and learn from someone who actually properly understands what the Catholic Church teaches, you will be forever trapped a false view of this alternate "Catholic Church" you've created for yourself.

 

 

Some Catholics get saved, but they have to leave the RCC to do it.  There are countless testimonies of Catholics who admit they were blinded to the truth about salvation.   Their former priests and Jesuits who have revealed what is really going on the higher levels of leadership in Rome and just how corrupt it really is.

And these so called  "countless testimonies" are those of the ill-informed, and unqualified to speak to what the Catholic Church actually teaches.

So all you have for the basis of your understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches is wrong, distorted information based on ill-informed testimonies.

 

So your criticisms are based on distorted and false information.

 

 

People should not criticize what they do not properly understand, and this is a subject you are demonstrating you do not properly understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you are the putting out lies and misinformation. All you have is lies and misinformation.  I have learned that you can't be trusted.    

 

I do love you Shiloh.   I hope one day you will be able to understand the sources of your information on Catholicism have lead you to build a fictional Catholic Church to attack. Cradle Catholics generally, and unfortunately, tend to be the worst source for correct information about what the Catholic Church teaches. If the Catholic Church were really how you believe it to be, I would hate it too and run faster from it than you could.

 

As has been wisely said:

 

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

― Fulton J. Sheen

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, I have been going off of what you have said, which is no different than the people whom you claim are not properly instructed about what Catholics believe.  You have been confirming, on this board, the very things you claim is misinformation.    You argue that faith alone is not all that is needed for salvation and you have argued that baptism and good works (purifying one's self) is also necessary for salvation.            

So you really talk out both sides of your mouth and are not to be trusted. You are a neo-pagan who simply converted to another form of paganism. 

I'm sorry Shiloh, but I have not shared enough with you for you to have enough information to go off of what I say.     

Until you're ready to actually listen rather than tell others what they mean by the words they use and say,and judge them according to some fictional construct, there is no way to help you see where you have been wrong.

 

 

You have shared enough for me to know that you don't believe the true Gospel of salvation by faith and you have shared enough for me to know that you believe works are part of what is required of salvation.   You have shared enough for me to know and affirm that Catholicism isn't Christianity and that Roman Catholics are not authentic followers of Jesus and that Roman Catholicism is of the devil and is the road to Hell. 

 

I think trashing the faith of others is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.    Please stop - not just towards me, but towards everyone else too.   

[thereselittleflower]

If a Catholic does have faith in Jesus Christ and only "faith alone" is the sole requirement for becoming born from above, then at a minimum according to the following quote, isn't the Pope a member of the Body of Christ church?

 

“If we—all of us—accept the grace of Jesus Christ, he changes our heart and from sinners makes us saints. To become holy we do not need to turn our eyes away and look somewhere else, or have as it were the face on a holy card! No, no, that is not necessary. To become saints only one thing is necessary: to accept the grace that the Father gives us in Jesus Christ. There, this grace changes our heart. We continue to be sinners for we are weak, but with this grace which makes us feel that the Lord is good, that the Lord is merciful, that the Lord waits for us, that the Lord pardons us—this immense grace that changes our heart.” 
― Pope Francis, The Church of Mercy

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/7034628.Pope_Francis

 

 

 

 

 

I just saw this post.

As the scripture say, we are saved by grace through faith, and not of ourselves

Ephesians 2:8

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

I think Pope Francis said it quite well above.  It is all about grace.

 

 

Edited September 16, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Secret__]

If a Catholic does have faith in Jesus Christ and only "faith alone" is the sole requirement for becoming born from above, then at a minimum according to the following quote, isn't the Pope a member of the Body of Christ church?

 

“If we—all of us—accept the grace of Jesus Christ, he changes our heart and from sinners makes us saints. To become holy we do not need to turn our eyes away and look somewhere else, or have as it were the face on a holy card! No, no, that is not necessary. To become saints only one thing is necessary: to accept the grace that the Father gives us in Jesus Christ. There, this grace changes our heart. We continue to be sinners for we are weak, but with this grace which makes us feel that the Lord is good, that the Lord is merciful, that the Lord waits for us, that the Lord pardons us—this immense grace that changes our heart.” 
― Pope Francis, The Church of Mercy

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/7034628.Pope_Francis

 

 

 

 

 

I just saw this post.

As the scripture say, we are saved by grace through faith, and not of ourselves

Ephesians 2:8

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

I think Pope Francis said it quite well above.  It is all about grace.

 

 

TY tlf.  Hard to imagine anything being more valuable than faith from our viewpoint. Yet, I see it in your words daily since I have been here more than any other.  

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/13-13.htm

I personally know many Catholics that highly value charity (some versions call it love).  I think grace is associated with humiliation.

When pride comes, then comes disgrace,
    but with the humble is wisdom.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+11%3A2&version=ESV

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2015 by Secret__

[Matthew T.]

The source of the article -- is a FAKE NEWS site.  Be careful what you read on the internet!

Lesson learned...

[MorningGlory]

What does God say about the rcc ?

The Scripture says and proves , as Shiloh and Ezra and others have posted often, that the leader of the catholics is not in the body of Christ in any truth nor in any reality at all.
That is completely false and deceptive and deadly to souls all over the world.
They have completely opposed the One True Gospel of Jesus for Salvation of men on earth,
and they have absolutely contradicted Scripture in their teachings and their practices every day.

 

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You know, jeff, if you put as much effort into your walk with the Lord as you do in tearing down other beliefs.....you'd be WAY ahead of the game.  I don't agree with the RCC doctrine either in most cases but it's unseemly to vilify others 24/7.  lt's also not what the Lord expects of His followers.  I say  this not to offend but to maybe make you stop and think about these things.

[thereselittleflower]

Are you saying it is wrong to villify villians ???  so weird.....

 

 

It's wrong for someone who calls themselves by the name of Christ to vilify anyone Jeff.

MorningGlory is right and she has reached out to you in love to help you stop and think.

And the biggest danger on earth to one's eternal state is oneself.

 

 

The Accusing Spirit

This is another one of those common tactics of the enemy that we see literally all the time in the ministry of deliverance. The accusing spirit is an anti-Christ spirit, because it approaches people with no love, but a tone of condemnation. It works through a voice; the voice of condemnation. It constantly tells you how much of a failure you are. It tells you how your heart is not right with God. It tells you that if you don't read your Bible every day, that you aren't serious about your relationship with God. It basically tells you that you're never good enough. This is the exact opposite nature of God. It tears down rather than builds up. 

The accusing spirit works hand in hand with the family of religious spirits and strongholds, including legalism.

The accusing spirit will manifest in a variety of ways. It can cause accuse a person directly, it can cause them to accuse others around them, or it can accuse God in a person's mind.

Anytime the enemy brings up your past failures, that is the work of the accusing spirit. This spirit feeds on past mistakes, in order to justify how that person is supposedly a failure, even though the Blood of Christ has washed away those failures and cast them into the depths of the sea! In this way, the accusing spirit is an anti-Christ spirit, because it deliberately writes off the work of Christ and the shed blood of Jesus.

 

http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/accusing_spirit.php

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[thereselittleflower]

Are You Listening To Accusing Thoughts About Others?

Accusation is a weapon that originates from Satan’s identity. He is the accuser of the brethren. That’s what he is in everything he does. Satan goes before God day and night, accusing you and me constantly! He is a legalist that looks for anyway to accuse someone and uses people to accuse others. His target is the brethren. In other words he goes after believers, and trains them to go after each other. When we have an accusatory thought about someone’s motives, actions or attitude, we are most likely listening to Satan’s front line of evil spirits. Even if your thoughts seem “right,” you are still listening to an enemy. When you accuse in thought or words, you join his kingdom against your brothers’ and sisters’ road to freedom.

Rejection makes way for an accusing spirit. We don’t trust other people, so we accuse them in their motives daily. This makes way for a number of destructive tools that reinforce the enemy in our camps.

1. Condemnation:

The whole mindset of accusation is very condemning. It takes “facts” and uses them as arrows to condemn people, rather than build them up. Truth is meant to set them free from and destroy the enemy that binds them. It was never meant to be used as a weapon to hurt people. When we stop coming at people in condemnation, love has a chance to permeate the atmosphere, where we can have honest communication and grow together. When we condemn, we pronounce a sentence on someone with no chance for them to change and be free.

Accusation points the finger and seeks to place blame. It releases guilt onto people, keeping them bound instead of freeing them. No one gets free with guilt weighing on them, but rejection trains us to use guilt to get people to love us and do what we want. This is all part of distorted relationships. It flows with all manner of judgmentalism, criticism and cynicism.

http://markdejesus.com/are-you-listening-to-accusation-regarding-others/

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[Guest Thallasa]

 

They can say directly "JESUS IS LORD" ,  and they don't have a clue who Jesus is.  They are not allowed by rcc doctrines, published, to serve Jesus - they have to serve the pope and the hierarchy....

 

This just demonstrates how completely people do not understand what they criticize.

This is absolutely, utterly false.

 

 

While, I do think that it is possible for you to speak for yourself.  I would believe you if you said to me that you believed that Jesus is the son of God and he died and rose again for the forgiveness of sins.  However, I find it hard to believe that you are capable of speaking on behalf of the whole Catholic church.  I do not think it is possible for you to definitively say that the whole RCC believes the same as you do, which you continuously try to do.  It would be the same if I tried to speak on behalf of an entire denomination.  It is not something that is possible to do.  There will always be error within the church until the tares are separated from the wheat.  

 

I'm not speaking just for myself Esther when I speak about what the Catholic Church teaches or doesn't teach.  The Catholic Church is clear on what She teaches.   This is something I have studied in depth.  However, many people get it wrong.

Now when it comes to what individual Catholics believe, as I've said, cradle catholics are well known for not having been correctly taught the Catholic faith so I would not be surprised to hear all sorts of things, but I will say this.  I have never met a cradle Catholic who could not distinguish between worship due God alone and honor given to others. I have never met a cradle catholic who didn't believe Jesus was their savior.   

How well a person understands the Catholic faith is dependent on how well they were taught the Catholic faith.  As I've said before, from the middle of the last century, catechesis has not been very good.   I was not catechized in the Catholic Church.   I came to my understanding through in depth research.  I have been told by other Catholics who know their Catholic faith that I know it better than 99% of Catholics in the US, which is a very sad thing.

 

 

 

 

  THALLASA

 

I may no longer be practising as a catholic for many years ,but what SimpleJeff says, is pure falsity .

Whatever may be lacking in this Church The Love of Jesus and worship of Him as God is at the  center of of her beliefs  .Certainly some things have been added ,some of which were probably neccessary because of the times ,which should have faded away  in modern  times ,but the lies here amounts to False Witness .  Even when I disagree with someone ,do not like someone ,to lie about a person or a group on something as profound as this,, is a serious sin   It indicates hatred,, rather  than a need for truth in what they say .  Could you please Jeff stick to the truth in your criticisms as it makes people switch off 

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[thereselittleflower]

 

They can say directly "JESUS IS LORD" ,  and they don't have a clue who Jesus is.  They are not allowed by rcc doctrines, published, to serve Jesus - they have to serve the pope and the hierarchy....

 

This just demonstrates how completely people do not understand what they criticize.

This is absolutely, utterly false.

 

 

While, I do think that it is possible for you to speak for yourself.  I would believe you if you said to me that you believed that Jesus is the son of God and he died and rose again for the forgiveness of sins.  However, I find it hard to believe that you are capable of speaking on behalf of the whole Catholic church.  I do not think it is possible for you to definitively say that the whole RCC believes the same as you do, which you continuously try to do.  It would be the same if I tried to speak on behalf of an entire denomination.  It is not something that is possible to do.  There will always be error within the church until the tares are separated from the wheat.  

 

I'm not speaking just for myself Esther when I speak about what the Catholic Church teaches or doesn't teach.  The Catholic Church is clear on what She teaches.   This is something I have studied in depth.  However, many people get it wrong.

Now when it comes to what individual Catholics believe, as I've said, cradle catholics are well known for not having been correctly taught the Catholic faith so I would not be surprised to hear all sorts of things, but I will say this.  I have never met a cradle Catholic who could not distinguish between worship due God alone and honor given to others. I have never met a cradle catholic who didn't believe Jesus was their savior.   

How well a person understands the Catholic faith is dependent on how well they were taught the Catholic faith.  As I've said before, from the middle of the last century, catechesis has not been very good.   I was not catechized in the Catholic Church.   I came to my understanding through in depth research.  I have been told by other Catholics who know their Catholic faith that I know it better than 99% of Catholics in the US, which is a very sad thing.

 

  THALLASA

 

I may no longer be practising as a catholic for many years ,but what SimpleJeff says, is pure falsity .

Whatever may be lacking in this Church The Love of Jesus and worship of Him as God is at the  center of of her beliefs  .Certainly some things have been added ,some of which were probably neccessary because of the times ,which should have faded away  in modern  times ,but the lies here amounts to False Witness .  Even when I disagree with someone ,do not like someone ,to lie about a person or a group on something as profound as this,, is a serious sin   It indicates hatred,, rather  than a need for truth in what they say .  Could you please Jeff stick to the truth in your criticisms as it makes people switch off 

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The quote feature is messed up, but I fixed it in this reply.

Thank you Thallasa for your kind words of wisdom.

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

The greatest chapter of all - 1 Corinthians 13:

 

 

Chapter 13

1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues[b] but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal. 

2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing. 

3 If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 [c]Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated, 5 it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, 6 it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 [d]Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing. 9 For we know partially and we prophesy partially, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things. 12 At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known. 13 [e]So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.