Why a third Temple?

[WilliamL]

Disagree. Matthew 24:15-21 doesn't mention a temple at all, only "the holy place," a Hebraism for the place of the sanctuary of the Temple. In Daniel 9:17, Daniel prayed to God to "cause thy face to shine upon thy miqdash/holy place, which is desolate" -- the place was still holy even after the Babylonians had utterly destroyed the Temple and its sanctuary.

There’s no need to play word games to deny that there will indeed be a Temple standing in Jerusalem when the Antichrist takes control of the world. 2 Thess 2:4 specifically says “Temple”.  That should settle the issue. 

Word games indeed. 2 Thes. does not say temple/heiros, it says naos/sanctuary/holy place. "That should settle the issue," but since you rely more on poor English translations than the original Greek, you will never change your views.

 There is no scripture that speaks of the authorizing and/or building of a 3rd Temple before the Messiah comes. Who would be authorized to build it?

There is NO NEED for Scripture to make any such specific statement.  Scripture assumes (through God’s foreknowledge) that there will be such as Temple.  As to who would be authorized to build it, evidently you have not been following events in Israel over the last few years. Please visit this website and bring yourself  up to date: https://www.templeinstitute.org/

I am well familiar with this money-seeking, self-authorized, well-publicized group which is not sanctioned by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, nor supported by more than a small segment of the Israeli population, and is greatly opposed by the large Israeli Orthodoxy.

 For the previous two temples, as well as the Mosaic Tabernacle, God called and authorized specific men to manage the project. Anyone not so called and authorized by God to do so in our day would not be constructing anything holy.

Who said anything about this Third Temple being “holy” as per God’s definition and expectation?  The Orthodox Jews in Israel are essentially in unbelief, they have rejected Yeshua ha Mashiach, but they are looking for their “Messiah” and therefore they are building this Temple.

Jesus did: "when you see the AD standing in the holy place;" which wouldn't be holy, but rather defiled, if God did not authorize a structure built atop it.

Dan. 11:45 And he [the King of the North] shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas at the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. 12:1 At that time...there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation...

The 12:1 passage is a near identical saying to what Jesus said would take place right after the Abomination of Desolation, so it is a no-brainer to see that Dan. 11:45 must be the AD. Any ruler setting up his camp upon the Temple Mount would in essence be "standing in the holy place" -- no Temple mentioned or needed to fulfill the prophecy.

As a matter of fact, you have forgotten something which is critical. In order for the Antichrist “to cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease” (Dan 9:27) there must be a Temple where the sacrifices and oblations are offered and are subsequently caused to cease.

I haven't forgotten a thing about this verse and passage: everything in it was fulfilled in very detail when the Temple was destroyed in the Jewish War of 66-73 AD. The evidence may be found here: http://www.ourchurch.com/member/d/dummies/index.php?p=1_10_Daniel-s-70-Weeks

-- which concludes in part:

Daniel 9:24-27 provides an accurate summary of events in Judea from the First Coming of the Messiah up to the destruction of the Temple. It doesn’t mention at all

– any abomination of desolation of the Holy Place;

– the time of the end/latter time/latter days, or any similar term;

– the Great Tribulation/time of trouble such as never was;

– the saints, or any flight of God’s people;

– Messiah’s coming in the clouds, Divine Judgment, and/or the establishment of God’s kingdom;

– the coming prince’s demise;

– or the raising of the dead.

These topics are discussed elsewhere in Daniel’s End Time prophecies. Why not here? Because this is not a prophecy for the end of Church Age, but rather for the Jewish Age.

 A less likely but possible alternative is that the ruler will invite the Pope, the one who sets himself up as God in the spiritual temple of God, to the Temple Mount. Either way, Jesus made it clear the AD will take place in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount.

The Pope cannot possibly set himself up as “God” in the Temple at Jerusalem, for the simple reason that the Jews will only recognize a Jewish Messiah as prophesied, and only a Jew will have access to the Temple. 

Classic circular reasoning: no prophecy says that the Jews will accept "the Antichrist" as their Messiah, this is pure churchianity speculation: a doctrine of men, not Scripture. It is stated by neither 2 Thes. 2, Dan. 9:26-27, nor Matt. 24.

[WilliamL]

Since we are living in the Age of Grace, prophecy has ceased. 

Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

If prophecy has ceased, so have all the other offices of the five-fold ministry.

Have the saints been "perfected" and in "unity," "a perfect man?"

[Ezra]

Full Preterists believe that all prophecies were fulfilled in 70 AD, including the Second Coming of Christ. Partial Preterists believe that some are yet to be fulfilled.  But a plain reading of both the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation makes it crystal clear that MANY PROPHECIES REMAIN TO BE FULFILLED.  We are seeing prophecies fulfilled as we speak.

[RevelationWriter]

If I show you God Said there was only 2 Temples would you believe Him? Or man make prophecies instead?

[Guest shiloh357]

If I show you God Said there was only 2 Temples would you believe Him? Or man make prophecies instead?

There will be a total of four temples according to God's word.  If you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Bible on this matter.

[RevelationWriter]

- Well I believe God when He Said:

"The Glory Of This LATTER Temple Shall Be Greater Than The Former Says The Lord Of Hosts." - Hag.2:9

[Ezra]

If prophecy has ceased, so have all the other offices of the five-fold ministry.

Not at all. Scripture tells us clearly and plainly that prophecies will cease (1 Cor 13:8). That word "shall fail" is the same as "shall vanish away" (Greek katargethesontai):

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

[Ezra]

- Well I believe God when He Said:

"The Glory Of This LATTER Temple Shall Be Greater Than The Former Says The Lord Of Hosts." - Hag.2:9

This is only contrasting two temples, not ruling out any others.  And let's not forget the Temple in Heaven, which provided a pattern for the earthly temples.  There will be a total of four temples in Jerusalem when all is said and done.

[Guest shiloh357]

- Well I believe God when He Said:

"The Glory Of This LATTER Temple Shall Be Greater Than The Former Says The Lord Of Hosts." - Hag.2:9

Yes, but how does that speak to the presence of Ezekiel's Temple?   It will be a literal temple and it has never existed up to this point.     Hag. 2:9 doesn't mean there will not be another physical temple.  After 70 AD there will be a temple the anti-Christ defiles and then the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40-49.

[Ezra]

 

Hag. 2:9 doesn't mean there will not be another physical temple.  After 70 AD there will be a temple the anti-Christ defiles and then the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40-49.

Once again we see that if Christians fail to take the context into consideration, they fall into the trap of false doctrine (or mistaken beliefs).  The context of Haggai 2:5-9 makes it crystal clear that "the latter house" is ACTUALLY A REFERENCE TO THE MILLENNIAL TEMPLE. Please note carefully:

6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;

7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

Let's focus on verses 7 and 9. "The desire of all nations" is a metaphor for the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.  But since He was rejected at His first coming, this is a reference to His Second Coming.  Before Christ comes the second time, God will "shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land".  This is a reference to the cataclysmic cosmic events of the 6th seal of Revelation. After that is the Second Coming, and only after that is the Millennial Temple.  And what we find in verse 9 is that the glory of the Millennial Temple will be far greater than that of Solomon's Temple.  It does not imply that there will be no other temples.

This is not a reference to Herod's Temple (which was actually rebuilt during the time of Ezra-Nehemiah, but was not comparable to the glory of Solomon's Temple).  There is no reference here to the third Temple, since that will be a polluted and desecrated Temple, and will probably be utterly destroyed during the great earthquake which will shake Jerusalem after the Two Witnesses return to Heaven (Rev 11).