Why a third Temple?

[Guest shiloh357]

Sister

Ezk 43:2 Elohim of Israel
Ezk 43:7 the children of Israel – the house of Israel
Ezk 43:10 describe the temple to the house of Israel
Ezk 44:2 YHWH Elohim of Israel
Ezk 44:6 to the rebellious, to the house of Israel
Ezk 44:9 among the children of Israel.
Ezk 44:10 when Israel went astray
Ezk 44:12 the house of Israel
Ezk 44:22 the house of Israel
Ezk 45:6 the whole house of Israel.
Ezk 45:8 the house of Israel, according to their tribes
Ezk 45:17 the house of Israel.
Ezk 47:13 the twelve tribes of Israel
Ezk 47:21 the tribes of Israel.
Ezk 47:22 the children of Israel; the tribes of Israel.
Ezk 48:11 “It shall be for the priests of the sons of Zadok, who are sanctified, who have kept My charge, who did not go astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray.
Ezk 48:19 all the tribes of Israel
Ezk 48:29 the tribes of Israel

There is No mention of the Jews, Judah or the house of Judah in Ezk.40-48 doing anything as it relates to the text; its all about the Levites ministering to or for the people – Israel – All 12 Tribes!

It will not be built

You don't know the Lord or the Bible; unbelievers never do.   God will join the two houses together per Ezekiel 37.  The nation was Israel before  they split and they will be know together as Israel after both houses are reunited.  

[Guest shiloh357]

- So you believe God has indorsed 'the pattern' of Ezekiel's temple for Israel to set up as another Temple for Him 

after He sent "The Lamb Of God Who Takes Away The Sins Of The Word" and to change The Priesthood?

- You only believe so because of the falsehood you've been taught of God's Prophecies.

 

No, I just believe the Bible.   Well since the temple sacrifices never took away sin and since the priesthood of Ezekiel's temple isn't Aaronic priesthood, I see no problem with it being a literal temple.

But by all means, please present your system of theological gymnastics which you employ to twist and pervert the Scriptures in order justify your disbelief at what God's word says.

Shiloh

As usual you facts are incorrect

Ezekiel's temple IS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION and will also not be built in the millennium.

Those of higher office, the priests, were to be also from among the sons of Levi, but entirely of the sons of Zadok (ch. 40: 46). Zadok was High Priest in David’s time, eleventh in descent from Aaron:

"...the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to the Lord to minister unto Him."

Their ministry was to be that of a sacrificing priesthood, making offerings at the altar continually, both for the people and for themselves (ch. 44:11

Verse 11, "they [the Levites] shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people."

Verse 15, "But the priests...the sons of Zadok shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God."

Verse 27, "in the day that he [the priest] goeth...to minister in the sanctuary, he shall offer his sin offering, saith the Lord God."

See also chapter 43, verse 18 to end.

If this is a prophecy of the Millennial Age IT MAKES VOID THE SOLE PRIESTHOOD OF THE MESSIAH (Heb. 5), and foretells the resumption of an earthly priesthood and an endless succession of blood sacrifices for all manner of purposes and occasions, to effect what the Messiah as High Priest offering himself must therefore have failed to effect

Why in the Millennial Age would the Priesthood of Zadok be revived, unless it could do what the Messiah must therefore have failed to do?

Revelation doesn't have everything about end time prophecy  It is not a stand alone book regarding that time period.   End time prophecy is discussed much in the OT.  Yes, it will be built in Millennium.  

It is not an Aaronic priesthood.  Yes they will be sons of Zadok, but the Aaronic priesthood is gone.   These will not be Mosaic sacrifices.   The priesthood changed from Aaron to Melchi-Tzedek.  and these priests will be operating under that order.

The offerings are purely memorial.  No one's sins are covered under the sacrifices in Ezekiel, so they are not doing what Jesus didn't do.  

Why must every post of yours be an attempt to call God a liar?

 

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, 

So please tell me why ezekel would have a revival of zadok the  eleventh in descent from Aaron:  the Priesthood is both comprised from Aaron and levI. 

 

Ok great then you can provide me scriptures of Ezekiel's temple to be built in the millennium? 

No the offereings are not a memorial script clearly stats to make "reconciliation" for the people (ch. 45, verses 15 and 17) not a memorial for people

Whereas we read, in Hebrews 2, verse 17, that it is the Messiah who is the "merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people".

Further  read in 2 Corinthians 5, verses 18 and 19 that God "hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself...and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

Please read it!!!!

Please do away with your childish rants, exposing bogus theories is not an attempt to call God a liar.

The priests are the descendants of the faithful High Priest Zadok.   That doesn't mean that they are operating under the Aaronic order.  They are priests operating under the order of the High Priest of the Order of Melchi-Tzedek.

Secondly,  we know it will stand during the millennium.   

1.  It has never existed before because the entire temple precinct is the size of three football fields, making it too big for the current temple mount and making it even larger than the old city of Jerusalem.

2.  It is accompanied by a re-allotment of the land to the twelve tribes, meaning that it will occur during a restored Israel.   The ONLY time we see a fully restored Israel is during the millennium.

3.  There is no temple in the New Heavens and New Earth;  There has been no temple since 70 AD.  So Ezekiel's Temple must exist future to us, but prior to the New Heavens and New Earth.  The only logical time period for that to happen is the millennium.

Thirdly, you don't understand the purposes of the sacrifices.  The sacrifices did not accomplish atonement for people's sins.  The sacrifices under the Mosaic system merely pointed forward to the only sin offering that would make true atonement for sin.   If the argument is that the sacrifices in the millennial temple are an affront to the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, then it only follows that if the Mosaic sacrifices did in fact, atone for sins, they would be equally as blasphemous in the light of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.

There seems to be an unspoken assumption that the OT sacrifices atoned for sin, but they didn't.  Nothing under the law, including sacrifices, ever made man right with God.   The sacrifices in Ezekiel have no expiatory (redemptive) effect.    There four other places in the OT prophets where they speak of the future sacrifices (Isaiah 56:7; 66:20-23; Jeremiah 33:18; Zechariah 14:16-21; Malachi 3:3-4). They affirm the testimony of Ezekiel.

The Hebrew idea of a memorial looks forward and back.   Our communion is just such a memorial.   WE look forward to Christ's coming and we look back at his death.   The Mosaic sacrifices looked forward to Jesus work on the cross;  the millennial sacrifices look back a the same work.

Ezek. 45:15,17 do not refer to expiatory sacrifices that bring forgiveness.   The word used for atonement is also used to refer to consecration and ritual purification.  Many believers today are rather one-dimensional in their under standing of the how the Bible uses the word atonement.

And yes, your posts are all about calling God a liar and promoting disbelief in what the Bible says.

 

 

[Sister]

 Ezekiel's temple can not be built, I have no doubt another type of temple will be built  by the Pharisees claiming to be rabies  but it will not be Ezekiel's

If paid attention inEzekiel you would know there are two clauses in the contract.

Ezk 40:4 And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes and hear with your ears, and fix your mind on everything I show you; for you were brought here so that I might show them to you.  *Declare to the house of Israel* everything you see.”

Ezk 43:11   And **if** they be ashamed of all that they have done , shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

Did you catch that? *Declare to the house of Israel*, *And **if** they be ashamed* – Not just the Jews or ‘The House of Judah’ containing ‘some’ of the Levites.

The state of Israel you see today is actually the state of Judah

This is to ‘All’ 12 Tribes of Israel with an undivided full tribe of Levites represented. The 10 Northern Tribes never assimilated back into ‘Israel’ with the 2 and a Levite part Southern Tribes

 

 The Amidah (prayer #10 – for the return of the exiles) prayed twice daily even today remains confirmation of that point. 

Ezekiel temple will never be built.

Inchrist

It will be built, but the False Prophet will build it for himself and copy the design to desecrate.  God will not use this design for his kingdom in the millennium, for God does not dwell in temples made with hands.

 Acts 17:24   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

The temple plan of Ezekiel will be used to deceive, and that is the only purpose God made sure the designs were recorded in the OT, for his end time purpose.

No, you are confusing the third and fourth temples.   The temple in Ezekiel 40-48 is not the temple the anti-Christ will defile.   Ezekiel's temple is the Temple of the Messiah that will be built after Jesus returns and will be used during the millennium.

Shiloh

I am not confusing it.  The THIRD TEMPLE is already here! 

John 2:19   Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Connect the dots!

 Acts 17:24   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 1 Peter 2:5   Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:1   And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Revelation 21:22   And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Spiritual sacrifices are not made in a physical temple.  There is no need for a physical temple anymore, for our sacrifices are spiritual.  Is this so hard to understand?  Why would Christ go back on his word and why would he go backwards again?  Israel will worship in the spirit before the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb. This will be their temple.  Something totally unexpected! They will understand the difference.

 

[Sister]

- So you believe God has indorsed 'the pattern' of Ezekiel's temple for Israel to set up as another Temple for Him 

after He sent "The Lamb Of God Who Takes Away The Sins Of The Word" and to change The Priesthood?

- You only believe so because of the falsehood you've been taught of God's Prophecies.

 

No, I just believe the Bible.   Well since the temple sacrifices never took away sin and since the priesthood of Ezekiel's temple isn't Aaronic priesthood, I see no problem with it being a literal temple.

But by all means, please present your system of theological gymnastics which you employ to twist and pervert the Scriptures in order justify your disbelief at what God's word says.

Shiloh

As usual you facts are incorrect

Ezekiel's temple IS NOT FOUND IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION and will also not be built in the millennium.

Those of higher office, the priests, were to be also from among the sons of Levi, but entirely of the sons of Zadok (ch. 40: 46). Zadok was High Priest in David’s time, eleventh in descent from Aaron:

"...the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to the Lord to minister unto Him."

Their ministry was to be that of a sacrificing priesthood, making offerings at the altar continually, both for the people and for themselves (ch. 44:11

Verse 11, "they [the Levites] shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people."

Verse 15, "But the priests...the sons of Zadok shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God."

Verse 27, "in the day that he [the priest] goeth...to minister in the sanctuary, he shall offer his sin offering, saith the Lord God."

See also chapter 43, verse 18 to end.

If this is a prophecy of the Millennial Age IT MAKES VOID THE SOLE PRIESTHOOD OF THE MESSIAH (Heb. 5), and foretells the resumption of an earthly priesthood and an endless succession of blood sacrifices for all manner of purposes and occasions, to effect what the Messiah as High Priest offering himself must therefore have failed to effect

Why in the Millennial Age would the Priesthood of Zadok be revived, unless it could do what the Messiah must therefore have failed to do?

 

Good point Inchrist!

[FresnoJoe]

Whereas we read, in Hebrews 2, verse 17, that it is the Messiah who is the "merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people".

Amen Beloved

Therefore, He had to be like His brothers in every way, so that He could become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:17 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

Yeshua Will Rock

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 2:6-12 (King James Version)

The World Just Like 

The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” Revelation 6:14-17 (New International Version)

The Days Of

As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:37-39 (Berean Study Bible)

Yore

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Be Blessed

Then I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. They came back to life and ruled with the Messiah for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 (International Standard Version)

Beloved Of The KING

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be freed from his prison. He will go out to deceive Gog and Magog, the nations at the four corners of the earth, and gather them for war. They are as numerous as the sands of the seashore. They marched over the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. Fire came from God out of heaven and burned them up, and the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. They will be tortured day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:7-10 (International Standard Version)

Love, Your Brother Joe

[RevelationWriter]

Okay as promised I'll address The Temple that John measured. - Rev.11

* 1st. John was taken into Heaven. - Rev.4

* 2nd. John was told to go down to the earth to take the scroll from the angel. - Rev.10:4 

* 3rd. John was then told again to Rise to heaven when he was given the measuring rod to measure The Temple Of God, The Altar, and Those Who Worship There. - Rev.11

What could the measurement of those who worship at the altar in the Temple (Jerusalem) in heaven been? The measurement of an angel, one cubit. - Rev.21:17

- So The Temple John measured; as with every other Measurement of God's heavenly Temple Jerusalem was given to a Prophet

As God's Temple in heaven is The Original Heavenly City Jerusalem. As the old 'pattern' measurements was given to God's Prophet Ezekiel.

Then after that two other times was God's Temple heavenly Jerusalem was measured again. 

Which means the measurements of God's Temple heavenly Jerusalem changed. 

Which makes sense as Jesus went to heavenly Jerusalem to make it "New".

 

 

[RevelationWriter]

- Jesus will not be of The Priesthood in the 1,000 yr reign.

Because Jesus will be 'The KING of kings and Lord of lords'.

- The 24 Elders say they are 'a kingdom of Priests' saying they will reign on the earth. - Rev.5:10 (Greek)

As it was David & Zadok who established The 24 Division of God's Priesthood, - 1Chron.24

[RevelationWriter]

We must remember Jesus will set up His Davidic Throne on earth for the 1,000 yr reign.

- As He will have the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel.- Rev.14

- And His 12 Apostles on their 12 Thrones as their Judges. - Matt.19:28 - Rev.20:4

- And The 24 Elders of the 24 Divisions of God's Priesthood. - Rev.5:10

Edited October 21, 2015 by RevelationWriter

[Guest shiloh357]

 Ezekiel's temple can not be built, I have no doubt another type of temple will be built  by the Pharisees claiming to be rabies  but it will not be Ezekiel's

If paid attention inEzekiel you would know there are two clauses in the contract.

Ezk 40:4 And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes and hear with your ears, and fix your mind on everything I show you; for you were brought here so that I might show them to you.  *Declare to the house of Israel* everything you see.”

Ezk 43:11   And **if** they be ashamed of all that they have done , shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

Did you catch that? *Declare to the house of Israel*, *And **if** they be ashamed* – Not just the Jews or ‘The House of Judah’ containing ‘some’ of the Levites.

The state of Israel you see today is actually the state of Judah

This is to ‘All’ 12 Tribes of Israel with an undivided full tribe of Levites represented. The 10 Northern Tribes never assimilated back into ‘Israel’ with the 2 and a Levite part Southern Tribes

 

 The Amidah (prayer #10 – for the return of the exiles) prayed twice daily even today remains confirmation of that point. 

Ezekiel temple will never be built.

Inchrist

It will be built, but the False Prophet will build it for himself and copy the design to desecrate.  God will not use this design for his kingdom in the millennium, for God does not dwell in temples made with hands.

 Acts 17:24   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

The temple plan of Ezekiel will be used to deceive, and that is the only purpose God made sure the designs were recorded in the OT, for his end time purpose.

No, you are confusing the third and fourth temples.   The temple in Ezekiel 40-48 is not the temple the anti-Christ will defile.   Ezekiel's temple is the Temple of the Messiah that will be built after Jesus returns and will be used during the millennium.

Shiloh

I am not confusing it.  The THIRD TEMPLE is already here! 

John 2:19   Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Connect the dots!

 Acts 17:24   God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

 1 Peter 2:5   Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Revelation 11:1   And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

Revelation 21:22   And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Spiritual sacrifices are not made in a physical temple.  There is no need for a physical temple anymore, for our sacrifices are spiritual.  Is this so hard to understand?  Why would Christ go back on his word and why would he go backwards again?  Israel will worship in the spirit before the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb. This will be their temple.  Something totally unexpected! They will understand the difference.

 

Oh please...    That is just a useless deflection from the issue.   We are talking about actual concrete temple buildings.   The attempt to explain away the future presence  of these buildings by arguing that we are the temple is a weak argument.   There is nothing about us being a spiritual temple that rules out future temple structures.