SO has all prophecy been fulfilled yet or not?

[thereselittleflower]

I understand what you guys are saying, but can anyone explain those verses? I mean Jesus said it, did he lie or was he mistaken? 

 

And Concerning anti-christ, John the Apostle explained who anti-christ was I thought, and said that the anti-christ had already come and there was many anti-Christ in the world already.

Jn_4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 

1Jn_2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 

1Jn_2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. \

I'd actually like to hear more clear explanation on this.

You said "Paul warned that the last days would bring a marked increase in false teaching." But false teachings and false prophets have been going on since before Christ walked the earth, even Jesus himself spoke of this things giving council to his apostles. And the apostle Paul spoke of these in 2 Cor. quite a bit, speaking of those in the world that were false Prophets. 

You also said "we are to be watching for prophecy fulfilled because Jesus told us that the day of the Lord—His return for His own—would come like a thief in the night (2 Peter 3:10), unexpected and unannounced."

Yet Jesus himself said:

Luk 17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 
Luk 17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 
Mar_14:58  We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. 

Coming without being able to be observed, seems to me he is speaking of spiritual things right? I don't know. What do you think?  Even still, that does not explain why Jesus would say that nothing in the laws would change until all things have been fulfilled. When it is apparently evident that the laws of the old covenant, which made no man perfect, have been taken aside and nailed to the cross as Paul put it. Can you see why Its a bit confusing to me.

 

God Bless

 

 

Jesus fulfilled the law.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

I am little confused, I found these verses in the bible where Jesus said not the smallest part of the law would be changed until all things was fulfilled. Yet clearly the laws have been done away with and changed according to Paul's teachings. What can this mean? 

 

Mat_5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

 

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
Col 2:14  Blotting(erasing) out the handwriting of ordinances(laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

 

Can someone please help me out with this. I have other scriptures also that are little confusing, but id like to start with these.

God Bless

 

 

Your confusion stems partly from the fact that you have taken three passages of Scripture, ripped them from their immediate contexts and lined them up as if they are addressing the same issue.  There are three different contexts and thus three different issues being addressed here.

Matthew 5:18 is part of the sermon on the Mount.  You need to look at the surrounding context to grasp what He is saying.  Matt. 5:18-20 is the thesis statement of the entire sermon on the mount.    In Matt. 5:18 Jesus is upholding a very high view of the Scriptures.   Actually, starting at v. 17.    Jesus says, that He has not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it.   "Fulfill" is juxtaposed against "destroy."  It is the opposite of destroy.  The opposite of "destroy"  is "build up."   Jesus is saying in v. 17 that He has not come to abolish or abrogate the law, but to build it up, to amplify or augment it.  The word "fulfill" in the Greek means, "to bring to fuller expression."   Jesus is the "fulfillment" of the law in the sense that  He is the fullest, living expression of the law.  He is the embodiment of it.

Matt. 5:18 is the continuation of that thought.   "Don't think I am come to abrogate any part of the law.  I am here to uphold it and the smallest stroke of the smallest letter will not pass away until I am done fulfilling it."    Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law.    It is important to know that Jesus isn't simply referring to the five books of Moses, but to the entire body of Scripture.   They used the term "law"  a little less precise than we do, to include the entire OT testament, depending on the context.   

But the point is that "fulfill" as used in Matt. 5:17-18 doesn't mean "terminate."   It is not being used the same way we use it when we are talking about "fulfilled prophecy."   It is important to understand that words in Greek and Hebrew are very nuanced and the same word can be understood differently depending on a given context.

Now Heb. 7:11-12  needs to be understood with reference to its own context.   Hebrews was written to show the superiority of the New Covenant over the Old Covenant and the superiority of Jesus' sacrifice over the Old Covenant sacrifices.   There is a New Covenant, but not a new law.     The New Covenant isn't a new law; rather, it is a new and better administration of the law.    We still have to have a sacrifice (Jesus), we still have to have blood and we still have to have a high priest (Jesus).   Just as the Old Covenant had a sacrifice, blood and a high priest,  so the New Covenant has those things too, but in the New Covenant those things are found in Jesus.  We have a better sacrifice, better blood and a better High Priests and we have better promises on that basis.

Hebrew 7: 11-12 is showing the superiority of the priesthood of the order Melchi-zedek  over the order of Aaron.   There was an adjustment in the law with respect to the priesthood to account for the change in priestly order.  There is a new and better covenant and thus a new and better priesthood.   It is not an abrogation of the law, but an augmentation of the law due to a new covenantal administration that has come into effect because of Jesus.

Col. 2:13-14 isn't talking about the law or the Scriptures at all.   Paul is drawing on Roman crucifixion imagery to make a point.    In Paul's day, it was customary for the Romans, when they crucified someone, to nail a list of their crimes to the their cross so that passersby would see what they did to deserve crucifixion.  Drawing on that imagery, Paul is saying that our "crimes"  our sins were nailed to Jesus' cross.   He was dying for our sins, not his own.   Our sins were imputed to Jesus and He was judged by God in our place and he bore the entire weight of the punishment we deserved for our sins.   Our sins were nailed to His cross and he bore them away.

As I said, context is vitally important to correctly understanding a given text.

 

[mevosper]

Matt. 5:18 is the continuation of that thought.   "I don't think I am come to abrogate any part of the law.  I am here to uphold it and the smallest stroke of the smallest letter will not pass away until I am done fulfilling it."    Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law.    It is important to know that Jesus isn't simply referring to the five books of Moses, but to the entire body of Scripture.   They used the term "law"  a little less precise than we do, to include the entire OT testament, depending on the context.   

Is this a typo: "I don't think..."? Shouldn't it be "Don't think...", since he knew why he came?

I'm trying to understand this paragraph. Are you saying that Christ has not yet completed his work? Isn't he currently, now, in his rest/7th day? This "Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law" sounds tricky to me. Is there a reason he hasn't completely fulfilled it before now?

I lean in the direction that he was talking about the law (Torah), specifically fulfillment of the feasts.

[Guest shiloh357]

Matt. 5:18 is the continuation of that thought.   "I don't think I am come to abrogate any part of the law.  I am here to uphold it and the smallest stroke of the smallest letter will not pass away until I am done fulfilling it."    Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law.    It is important to know that Jesus isn't simply referring to the five books of Moses, but to the entire body of Scripture.   They used the term "law"  a little less precise than we do, to include the entire OT testament, depending on the context.   

Is this a typo: "I don't think..."? Shouldn't it be "Don't think...", since he knew why he came?

I'm trying to understand this paragraph. Are you saying that Christ has not yet completed his work? Isn't he currently, now, in his rest/7th day? This "Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law" sounds tricky to me. Is there a reason he hasn't completely fulfilled it before now?

I lean in the direction that he was talking about the law (Torah), specifically fulfillment of the feasts.

Jesus said that he did not come to abrogate (do  away with) the law.   The law, particularly the feasts, speak to Jesus first and second comings.  The law is not done foreshadowing Christ.    Jesus is still the personification of all that the law teaches.

[Sister]

I am little confused, I found these verses in the bible where Jesus said not the smallest part of the law would be changed until all things was fulfilled. Yet clearly the laws have been done away with and changed according to Paul's teachings. What can this mean? 

 

Mat_5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

 

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
Col 2:14  Blotting(erasing) out the handwriting of ordinances(laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

 

Can someone please help me out with this. I have other scriptures also that are little confusing, but id like to start with these.

God Bless

 

 

I am little confused, I found these verses in the bible where Jesus said not the smallest part of the law would be changed until all things was fulfilled. Yet clearly the laws have been done away with and changed according to Paul's teachings. What can this mean? 

 

Mat_5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

 

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
Col 2:14  Blotting(erasing) out the handwriting of ordinances(laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

 

Can someone please help me out with this. I have other scriptures also that are little confusing, but id like to start with these.

God Bless

 

 

Paragon78

Lets start with this one first.

The law is the 10 commandments.  These commandments are basically the 10 major laws of righteousness.  Israel followed these commandments by the letter.  If they broke one of these commandments they broke the whole lot.  The gentiles were not taught to observe the 10 commandments, yet if we follow everything Christ teaches us in the New testament, through his Word, we are automatically obeying the 10 commandments because they are righteous laws, and were not ever taken away. They should come naturally to us now, because they are the basics, and they still apply.

If we Love the Lord thy God with all our heart, we will love our neighbour as ourself, and do no wrong to him.  We won't murder him, steal of him, desire his wife or belongings for ourselves, won't bear false witness to him, we won't treat our parents with disrespect, we won't make our workers slave 7 days for us without a rest, or do evil on the sabbath (or any day), ...and if we love the Lord with all our heart we will put no one else before him in our hearts,  so we will follow righteousness because it will come naturally as he teaches us which are the major things contained in the Law.  Nothing in the law changes, it's still a law of righteousness and remains.  We are just under mercy now because we have been shown the light.  We follow the things contained in the law, not because the Law says so, but because we have come to Christ and the spirit of truth teaches us all righteousness.

 

Romans 13:8   Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9   For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10   Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

So if we have "love" we will cover everything written in the law because "love" is honour for God and results in respect for our neighbours.

 

[Sister]

 

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

 

Paragon78

The Levites were the priests.  They made sure everyone knew the law, and enforced it.  That was the Levites role, and they offered the sacrifices at the altar.   

Now when Christ comes, he doesn't come from that same order of the way things were done in the past, he came out of the tribe of Judah.  Yet more interesting, he came after the order of Melchisedec, because Melchisedec was the FIRST King of Israel.  He was the "Word of God" transformed into flesh (not born), a king of righteousness, and of peace.  He did not rule over a population, but showed himself to Abraham, and Abraham met him (The Word of God) and was glad. 

So Christ did not come after the order of Aaron who spoke on Moses behalf who delivered the law, nor did he come after the tradition of the Levites, the ones who delivered and enforced the law, but he came as "The Word of God", the one who CREATED THE LAWS ,....after that tradition (that same order), ......

.....And Melchisadek was Christ himself ..The Word of God.  Who appeared in the flesh then disappeared at that time.

Now the Law doesn't change the 10 commandments, but there were many by-law's, (the ordinances). The ordinances contained all the fine details attached to the Law, and it stated that the Levites only were to be the priests.  Christ changed this part of the Law, for the role of priesthood has been switched to Judah to show it's going to be done differently now. 

So the law does not always mean "the ten commandments", but can be classed as the ordinances as well, ..the strict rules, and we have to know the difference.

[other one]

If you are living according to the spirit under the grace of Jesus, none of the law is of any effect to you at all.    That's why Jesus said he fulfilled the law and not did away with it.....    if you are not under his grace the law is still in effect and will result in death and hell fire.

And that's the gospel according to Sam...

[mevosper]

Matt. 5:18 is the continuation of that thought.   "I don't think I am come to abrogate any part of the law.  I am here to uphold it and the smallest stroke of the smallest letter will not pass away until I am done fulfilling it."    Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law.    It is important to know that Jesus isn't simply referring to the five books of Moses, but to the entire body of Scripture.   They used the term "law"  a little less precise than we do, to include the entire OT testament, depending on the context.   

Is this a typo: "I don't think..."? Shouldn't it be "Don't think...", since he knew why he came?

I'm trying to understand this paragraph. Are you saying that Christ has not yet completed his work? Isn't he currently, now, in his rest/7th day? This "Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law" sounds tricky to me. Is there a reason he hasn't completely fulfilled it before now?

I lean in the direction that he was talking about the law (Torah), specifically fulfillment of the feasts.

Jesus said that he did not come to abrogate (do  away with) the law.   The law, particularly the feasts, speak to Jesus first and second comings.  The law is not done foreshadowing Christ.    Jesus is still the personification of all that the law teaches.

 

 

Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:24, Num 29:1-6)

1. Christ’s Fulfillment

   1. Emmanuel (God with us)

      1. Prophecy: Isa 7:14

      2. Fulfillment: Matt 1:23

   2. He has his own star (Matt 2:2)

   3. “King of the Jews” wise men from the East (Matt 2:2)

   4. “Trumpeted” by the shepherds abroad (Luke 2:17-20)

   5. Introduced as the Christ (Messiah)  (Luke 2:11)

   6. “Trumpeted” by Angels to Shepherds (Luke 2:8-14)

 

Day of Atonement

1. Christ’s Fulfillment

   1. “And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Mat 3:2)

   2. “Behold, The lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29, 36)

   3. “From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent for the kingdome of heaven is at hand” (Mat 4:17)

   4. “...prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight” (Mat 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luk 3:4, John 1:23)

 

 

Feast of Tabernacles

1. Christ’s fulfillment

   1. Blessed be the LORD God of Israel for he hath visited and redeemed his people (Luke 1:68)

   2. Kingdom of God is come unto you (Matt 12:28)

   3. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (Mark 1:15)

   4. “thou are the son of God” (Mark 3:11)

   5. “...and say unto them The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you” (Luke 10:9)

   6. “...no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you” (Luke 11:20)

   7. “...for, behold, the kingdome of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

   8. “.and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matt 1:23)

 

 

Christ fulfilled all the law during his earthly visit.

Edited October 5, 2015 by mevosper
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[Montana Marv]

I am little confused, I found these verses in the bible where Jesus said not the smallest part of the law would be changed until all things was fulfilled. Yet clearly the laws have been done away with and changed according to Paul's teachings. What can this mean? 

 

Mat_5:18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 

Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 

 

Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 
Col 2:14  Blotting(erasing) out the handwriting of ordinances(laws) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 

 

Can someone please help me out with this. I have other scriptures also that are little confusing, but id like to start with these.

God Bless

 

 

we are not under the law. We are under grace.  In Christ.  Montana Marv

[Guest shiloh357]

Matt. 5:18 is the continuation of that thought.   "I don't think I am come to abrogate any part of the law.  I am here to uphold it and the smallest stroke of the smallest letter will not pass away until I am done fulfilling it."    Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law.    It is important to know that Jesus isn't simply referring to the five books of Moses, but to the entire body of Scripture.   They used the term "law"  a little less precise than we do, to include the entire OT testament, depending on the context.   

Is this a typo: "I don't think..."? Shouldn't it be "Don't think...", since he knew why he came?

I'm trying to understand this paragraph. Are you saying that Christ has not yet completed his work? Isn't he currently, now, in his rest/7th day? This "Jesus is still "fulfilling" it in the sense that He is still the personification of the law" sounds tricky to me. Is there a reason he hasn't completely fulfilled it before now?

I lean in the direction that he was talking about the law (Torah), specifically fulfillment of the feasts.

Jesus said that he did not come to abrogate (do  away with) the law.   The law, particularly the feasts, speak to Jesus first and second comings.  The law is not done foreshadowing Christ.    Jesus is still the personification of all that the law teaches.

 

 

Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:24, Num 29:1-6)

1. Christ’s Fulfillment

   1. Emmanuel (God with us)

      1. Prophecy: Isa 7:14

      2. Fulfillment: Matt 1:23

   2. He has his own star (Matt 2:2)

   3. “King of the Jews” wise men from the East (Matt 2:2)

   4. “Trumpeted” by the shepherds abroad (Luke 2:17-20)

   5. Introduced as the Christ (Messiah)  (Luke 2:11)

   6. “Trumpeted” by Angels to Shepherds (Luke 2:8-14)

 

Day of Atonement

1. Christ’s Fulfillment

   1. “And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Mat 3:2)

   2. “Behold, The lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29, 36)

   3. “From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent for the kingdome of heaven is at hand” (Mat 4:17)

   4. “...prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight” (Mat 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luk 3:4, John 1:23)

 

 

Feast of Tabernacles

1. Christ’s fulfillment

   1. Blessed be the LORD God of Israel for he hath visited and redeemed his people (Luke 1:68)

   2. Kingdom of God is come unto you (Matt 12:28)

   3. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (Mark 1:15)

   4. “thou are the son of God” (Mark 3:11)

   5. “...and say unto them The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you” (Luke 10:9)

   6. “...no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you” (Luke 11:20)

   7. “...for, behold, the kingdome of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

   8. “.and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matt 1:23)

 

 

Christ fulfilled all the law during his earthly visit.

The problem is that God isn't done and we are talking about the fulfillment of prophecy, not merely the fulfilment of the law.   Jesus is not the termination of the law.  "Fulfillment"  as Jesus used it, doesn't mean "termination." Jesus said that he came bring the law to fuller expression.    Furthermore, the Festivals speak to more than Jesus' first coming.   They also speak to the Second coming and the coming Messianic Kingdom.   So Jesus isn't done fulfilling the law, or prophecy.