Breaking - Oregon college shooting

[MorningGlory]

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Buying insurance does not entail possibly killing another human being

 

 

The gun advocates like to use that argument.Actually my life insurance did expire so I no longer have it.So yes,God is my life insurance and that is taking a leap of faith.If I were to be pulled over while driving and I did not have auto insurance I would be paying out of my pocket.It is a law.It is not a wise choice to not purchase auto insurance.Many do not have health insurance today.

But there is a law mandating health insurance as well, bopeep.  I personally don't agree with it but it's out there.  Life insurance is a choice; I have dropped mine way down since my kids are grown and married.  Are you comfortable without it?

[MorningGlory]

 

There is a big difference between buying insurance and buying a gun.  How you protect yourself is the issue.

Since guns are carried for self-protection why is this an issue?

There are people who are very uncomfortable with the idea of carrying guns.    There are people who feel it is not how God calls us to protect ourselves, that self protection stops at the point of doing to someone else what they are about to do to you.

The question they raise is, did the Apostles carry weapons?   Did believers who faced extreme persecution in the first centuries carry weapons to protect themselves?

This is not as simple an issue as buying house insurance or homeowner's insurance, etc. and I don't believe one should try to make it be.  There are life and death ethical questions one must deal with in getting a gun that one does not have to deal with when buying insurance.

 

 

 

Those who are uncomfortable with carrying guns don't have to carry them, simple as that.  Those of us who do feel comfortable with carrying them will do so.  So the ones who don't like that, can just come to grips with that aspect of freedom and get over it.

They don't get to decide for the rest of us how God feels about us protecting ourselves with Guns.  It's not their call.  If they don't want to carry guns and they don't feels God wants them to do that, fine.  They can just sit down and shut up and let us live our lives as we see fit.  If one of these anti-gun loonies don't believe it is right to use guns in self-defense and someone breaks into their house to rape or murder them, I promise to not use my guns to defend them.

The very same people who blather on about why it is wrong to carry guns are the same people who live under banner of freedom that was won by people who carried guns.   So if it is wrong for us to use guns for personal defense, was it just as wrong for us to defend ourselves with guns on a national level?   Was it wrong for us a nation to defend ourselves?  Was the revolutionary war wrong?   Was defeating Hitler with guns, wrong???    Where is the moral line drawn??

Actually, a lot of politicians, including the POTUS, are protected by armed security every day of their lives, they have to be.  To me, that's hypocrisy with a capital 'H'.

[OakWood]

Nearly everybody in the World owns a pair of fists but we don't go around hitting each other all the time because if you hit somebody you might get hit back!

Imagine a world where only one per cent had fists and everybody else had no arms. It wouldn't take long before some of the one-per-centers started bullying the armless majority.

As for gun crime statistics in the U.S. most of these guns crime are gang related - they are often criminals shooting other criminals. Anti-gun advocates fail to point this out - they just mention the murder totals.

Innocent people are rarely caught up in this. When innocent people are caught up in it, it makes the news because it is rare enough to be newsworthy.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Having a gun is a personal choice for those who are mentally responsible to have one.As you can see from the news many are not.It is keeping guns out of those hands and I can not see that happening.So we will continue to have these tragedies.

"Many" are not mentally responsible?   Why do we assume that every person who commits a gun crime is mentally unstable?   There are evil people out there who kill people not because they have a gun, but because they are evil.  But most gun owners are not mentally unstable are often the ones who stand between good innocent people and the criminals.

 

[missmuffet]

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So you think drugs are behind these mass killings?  I would venture that the underlying cause is the same one behind all evil....satan. 

I think there are a number of reasons behind all the killings.You can not cut it down to one reason.

[missmuffet]

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Buying insurance does not entail possibly killing another human being

 

 

The gun advocates like to use that argument.Actually my life insurance did expire so I no longer have it.So yes,God is my life insurance and that is taking a leap of faith.If I were to be pulled over while driving and I did not have auto insurance I would be paying out of my pocket.It is a law.It is not a wise choice to not purchase auto insurance.Many do not have health insurance today.

But there is a law mandating health insurance as well, bopeep.  I personally don't agree with it but it's out there.  Life insurance is a choice; I have dropped mine way down since my kids are grown and married.  Are you comfortable without it?

Yes I am.I just told the Lord "Well,you are my life insurance now Lord you are in control of my life".That is it.  

[missmuffet]

 

Because progressive liberals don't understand how important owning guns is to the future of this nation....     and those who do are evil and want to destroy this nation and create a communist government....    that's why.

Do you think that is a little paranoid?Where is your faith?

tied up with the common sense God granted me as i grew up.....   and the constitutional government that is the authority of my country that he has allowed us to have and the demand that I follow that authority to whatever end comes along.   Even to defending that constitution.

And so also protect my family against dark things.   No it's not paranoid, it's being prepared to do the duties my Lord gave me to accomplish.

Do you not think that God will protect your family from dark things?You think that God wants you to be in control of it?

So, don't buy health insurance.   Don't buy car insurance.  Don't buy fire or flood insurance for you home.   Don't have a security alarm on your house. Don't do anything at all to protect yourself.     Do you see how unwise that is?  Don't put anti-virus on your computer.  Don't shred any documents with your social security number  before throwing them in the trash.

Taking measures to protect your property, your health and other interests is not a lack of faith in God.  The Bible puts a high premium on making wise decisions and taking wise precautions to protect your interests.  It doesn't mean you don't trust God to take the initiative to do things that keep you out of danger and thwart would-be thieves, vandals or murderers.

For many people they live in places where they feel a gun is a necessary item for personal protection and that doesn't mean that they don't trust God to protect them.  If anything, they hope that God intervenes before they have to pull a weapon on a criminal.   Or they hope that simply pulling the weapon will be enough of a deterrent.  People I know who own guns see it as a last resort, if all other layers of protection have failed.  The gun owners I know have no desire to pull a gun and if they have to use it, it was because they were left with no choice and they pray that God helps them remain calm and shoot straight and shoot to wound, not to kill.

Having a gun is a personal choice for those who are mentally responsible to have one.As you can see from the news many are not.It is keeping guns out of those hands and I can not see that happening.So we will continue to have these tragedies.

"Many" are not mentally responsible?   Why do we assume that every person who commits a gun crime is mentally unstable?   There are evil people out there who kill people not because they have a gun, but because they are evil.  But most gun owners are not mentally unstable are often the ones who stand between good innocent people and the criminals.

 

Yes,that is one of the reasons.It is not the guns fault like I have said before.It is only a piece of metal.It is the hands that gun gets into.

[thereselittleflower]

 

There is a big difference between buying insurance and buying a gun.  How you protect yourself is the issue.

Since guns are carried for self-protection why is this an issue?

There are people who are very uncomfortable with the idea of carrying guns.    There are people who feel it is not how God calls us to protect ourselves, that self protection stops at the point of doing to someone else what they are about to do to you.

The question they raise is, did the Apostles carry weapons?   Did believers who faced extreme persecution in the first centuries carry weapons to protect themselves?

This is not as simple an issue as buying house insurance or homeowner's insurance, etc. and I don't believe one should try to make it be.  There are life and death ethical questions one must deal with in getting a gun that one does not have to deal with when buying insurance.

 

 

 

The apostles did carry weapons. Peter carried a sword.

when?

 

[thereselittleflower]

The fact that this guy might have been Muslim is water under the bridge.The most disturbing part is that he had access to a gun.

Problem is limiting guns to law abiding citizens does not limit guns to those who aren't.

 

[missmuffet]

The fact that this guy might have been Muslim is water under the bridge.The most disturbing part is that he had access to a gun.

Problem is limiting guns to law abiding citizens does not limit guns to those who aren't.

 

The problem is the black market and getting those guns into the hands of some very dangerous people.There is no way of eliminating the black market.