Connection between Feminism and Communism

[gdemoss]

The serpent said unto Eve that God was a liar that she would become like God and as a direct result Eve being deceived believed the lie.  The serpent was saying "God is suppressing you!  You should be equal!"

The serpent is still chanting the same montra but this time it isn't God but men who are the evil ones suppressing the woman and holding her back from the equality they so deserve.

The truth is that he is still lying.  

Esther and Morning Glory are right in that any man worth his salt does not lead a woman by being a high chair tyrant dictator.  He does not abuse her by paying her less than a male counterpart for equal work preformed.  

I have not looked into the connection between feminism and communism before.  I can see within our society a sect of dominant women who emasculate men and keep them as little boys under mommas care.  If men never get weaned from the breast then momma always bears rule.  Catholicism has a similar uprising due to the worship of Mary as Mother.  

The trick is to swing the pendullam as far as one can so that it can go the other way.  The overt suppression of women by ungodly men will inadvertantly bring justice and place women over men but this is ungodly and foolish if women to accept for error in the opposite direction is still error.

Satans delight is in confusion and imbalance.

I have absolute rule in my home because I believed God when he said I was to honor her as the weaker vessel, wash her in the water of the word and love her as myself.  I work hard at exercising myself unto godliness and when I understand I am wrong I admit it and make amends.  She is convinced that I love her and that when I correct her it is in love in the fear of God.

All forms of human Government are a direct result of man rejecting God as ruler.  All forms of human government are given to supress man and drive him back to God.  Show me a people who obediently follow God and i'll show you a people who have no governors over them.

From your post, above..:  "I can see within our society a sect of dominant women who emasculate men and keep them as little boys under mommas care."

It occurs to me, just as pure logical thought, that the only men who can be emasculated like this were never very masculine to begin with. IOW, don't be a wimp and you won't be treated like a little boy.  The 'YOU' being a generic you not anyone in particular.

I can see why you would say that and do not deny the truth in what you say but rather add that by subtle means dominant women work diligently to emasculate men who are indeed not weak but strong.  Women in general live under a curse.  According to God they all desire to rule over their husbands due to the incident in the garden but they were commanded to be under obedience instead.  The most dangerous women in the world unto men are they who deny this to be true.  Every Christian woman needs to come to a place where she can embrace this as truth in order to get over it and the sin it causes in her life.  Those who deny the truth are in bondage to the lie and therefore cannot submit but rather become crafty in their ways of supplanting men with emasculation being only one tool of many.

Thank you for provoking me to further thought Morning Glory.  

No problem.  But I have to ask...are there really still men living in 2015 that believe they are emasculated by WOMEN???  Seems that would be a denial of their own inadequacies to me.  Ever hear of a woman complaining of being EFEMINATED by men?  I would venture probably not.  I'm aware of the Biblical commands concerning wives and husbands.  God never told women to be subservient to just any man who comes along.  IOW, if I'm not married to a particular man then he has nothing to say about what I do, think or say.  Except Jesus, of course.

I understand why you would ask such a thing but I only known this to be true from my own personal experience and ministry to those affected by it.  There are many men out there who are suffering.  

I am not convinced that a woman is only subject unto the authority of her husband as it pertains to the subject but will say that any woman who is obedient to her husband will not have to worry about other men seeking to dominate her.

The commandment to "submit" is given to wives, not to women. It only pertains to the relationship of a wife to her husband.  It is not a commandment for women to submit to men.  It is only in the context of family leadership and in no way implies that a wife is inferior to her husband.

In Genesis 2:18 God said that he would make a "helper" for man.  The word "helper"  comes from "ezer" in Hebrew and is often used of God being our "helper."  The use of that word never, at least as far as I can tell, used in the sense of one being inferior to the other.  It is not using "helper" in the sense of a novice holding the tools for the expert craftsmen.   It is actually the opposite.  The word ezer carries the connotation of a helper as one who makes up for inadequacies of the one needing help.  Eve was not created to be less than Adam.  To the contrary, Eve was given to Adam to make Adam better.  

A wife makes her husband better and there is mutual relationship of her submitting to his love and leadership and him loving her sacrificially as Christ loves the Church.

Great points Shiloh.  I love the way you tie it into the way God is portrayed positionally toward us.  Though he be God Almighty Creater of the Heavens and the Earth and all that in them is, he has set forth the clear example of leadership by being one who serves that which he created.  How great my conviction to first serve my wife!

I believe the lesser than mentality is drawn from the fact that she is the weaker vessel.  This is truth but does diminish her importance.  Children are the weakest vessels yet of major importance.

Thank you for provoking thought. Iron sharpens iron.

[Widor1]

No problem.  But I have to ask...are there really still men living in 2015 that believe they are emasculated by WOMEN???  Seems that would be a denial of their own inadequacies to me.

To answer your question, yes, there are REALLY men (and women... I am one of them) who believe men are being emasculated by women. Are men who are allowing women to emasculate them part of the problem? Yes. But I would not say that all of the blame is because of their inadequacies. Lack of Jesus on both parts, probably. God designed us specifically and with purpose to be different and to have different roles. Everything that God has put in place, Satan has tried to twist and pervert every chance he gets. What better way to pervert God's plan than to utterly flip our roles as male and female people, who were created in the image of God? That messes up marriage, families, and ultimately the church. I was with my parents today (both nonbelievers as far as I know), and we saw a laser light show that literally had someone reading all of Genesis 1, telling the story of creation (it was awesome!). Afterwards my mom asked why terrible things happened in the world, why there was death and sickness, etc. It all stems from being in a fallen creation, from Adam and Eve's sin. This earth is passing away, and we were not meant to be here forever.

Gen 3:16  To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you." 

Gen 3:17  Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.

Gen 3:18  Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return." 

 

 God never told women to be subservient to just any man who comes along.  IOW, if I'm not married to a particular man then he has nothing to say about what I do, think or say.  Except Jesus, of course.

I also do not believe that scripture only speaks to married women in regards to submission. I have not studied in depth on this, but it seems that women are divided into three categories: virgins (unmarried), married, and widows. Divorce was never part of God's original design, but if they are remarried, they are under the authority of their husbands. If they remain unmarried, they are under the authority of the church. Older women, whatever the status, are called to be a Godly example to the younger women. I do not believe that example is to counsel women to disregard a man's authority. This is my very humble, unstudied opinion, and MG, I agree that there are men who are not following God that are not submitting to God's authority, that I do not want to follow. However, as an example, I am not married to Obama. I do not believe Obama is following God. However, I am not going to disregard his authority.

This discussion is about much more than equal pay and voting rights.

[MorningGlory]

No problem.  But I have to ask...are there really still men living in 2015 that believe they are emasculated by WOMEN???  Seems that would be a denial of their own inadequacies to me.

To answer your question, yes, there are REALLY men (and women... I am one of them) who believe men are being emasculated by women. Are men who are allowing women to emasculate them part of the problem? Yes. But I would not say that all of the blame is because of their inadequacies. Lack of Jesus on both parts, probably. God designed us specifically and with purpose to be different and to have different roles. Everything that God has put in place, Satan has tried to twist and pervert every chance he gets. What better way to pervert God's plan than to utterly flip our roles as male and female people, who were created in the image of God? That messes up marriage, families, and ultimately the church. I was with my parents today (both nonbelievers as far as I know), and we saw a laser light show that literally had someone reading all of Genesis 1, telling the story of creation (it was awesome!). Afterwards my mom asked why terrible things happened in the world, why there was death and sickness, etc. It all stems from being in a fallen creation, from Adam and Eve's sin. This earth is passing away, and we were not meant to be here forever.

Gen 3:16  To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you." 

Gen 3:17  Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.

Gen 3:18  Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return." 

 

 God never told women to be subservient to just any man who comes along.  IOW, if I'm not married to a particular man then he has nothing to say about what I do, think or say.  Except Jesus, of course.

I also do not believe that scripture only speaks to married women in regards to submission. I have not studied in depth on this, but it seems that women are divided into three categories: virgins (unmarried), married, and widows. Divorce was never part of God's original design, but if they are remarried, they are under the authority of their husbands. If they remain unmarried, they are under the authority of the church. Older women, whatever the status, are called to be a Godly example to the younger women. I do not believe that example is to counsel women to disregard a man's authority. This is my very humble, unstudied opinion, and MG, I agree that there are men who are not following God that are not submitting to God's authority, that I do not want to follow. However, as an example, I am not married to Obama. I do not believe Obama is following God. However, I am not going to disregard his authority.

This discussion is about much more than equal pay and voting rights.

I agree with most of what you say but I have to add that men have used the Bible's commands to men and women to keep women subservient and powerless for thousands of years. I'm not speaking of all men here just the ones who believe they have a God-given right to rule over women.  A single woman is not commanded to give authority to just any man who happens by.   I am single; my Lord is Jesus.







 

[Guest shiloh357]

There is no commandment in the Bible that places men in authority over women.   Nothing in the Bible keeps men from being under the authority of women in the workplace. There are commandments for wives to submit to the leadership of their husbands and there are commandments to men to be servant-leaders in their homes.   Nothing in the Bible makes women inferior to men.  I agree with MG that there have been so much spousal abuse  that comes from men misusing Scripture to exert their control-freakish attitudes over their wives and justify a lot of abusive behavior.

Edited October 17, 2015 by shiloh357

[Ezra]

A single woman is not commanded to give authority to just any man who happens by.   I am single; my Lord is Jesus.

[/quote]

True. There can be only one Lord Jesus Christ who is Lord over every Christian.  And here is what that Lord commands single women (Heb 13:17):

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Who is this referring to?  The elders of your local assembly. Those are the ones who are given "rule" or "oversight" over God's flock, hence they are also called "bishops" (Gk episkopos = overseer).  They are not "just any man" but if the church is truly under the Lordship of Christ, then they are God-appointed shepherds who should be properly shepherding the flock.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

A single woman is not commanded to give authority to just any man who happens by.   I am single; my Lord is Jesus.

True. There can be only one Lord Jesus Christ who is Lord over every Christian.  And here is what that Lord commands single women (Heb 13:17):

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Who is this referring to?  The elders of your local assembly. Those are the ones who are given "rule" or "oversight" over God's flock, hence they are also called "bishops" (Gk episkopos = overseer).  They are not "just any man" but if the church is truly under the Lordship of Christ, then they are God-appointed shepherds who should be properly shepherding the flock.

That only applies to spiritual matters and one's interaction with that specific congregation.  It doesn't give them authority over the natural day to day affairs of a single woman's life.  They do not have husband-like authority over a single woman.

[missmuffet]

There is no commandment in the Bible that places men in authority over women.   Nothing in the Bible keeps men from being under the authority of women in the workplace. There are commandments for wives to submit to the leadership of their husbands and there are commandments to men to be servant-leaders in their homes.   Nothing in the Bible makes women inferior to men.  I agree with MG that there have been so much spousal abuse  that comes from men misusing Scripture to exert their control-freakish attitudes over their wives and justify a lot of abusive behavior.

I would agree with this too.

[gdemoss]

Some believe they know who has authority over a woman because they can articulate an argument from scripture. While scripture study is commendable putting those argumemts to the test via practical application is the acid test.  I warn every woman who claims Christ not to usurp the authority of a man in any position or face the consequences associated with doing so.  Those whom God has given authority over you is for your edification and not your destruction.  I have personally commanded/instructed/directed women for their edification and have witnessed those who did not receive the correction suffer for it so I am a believer that God has given me authority over women who are his, even those who have a husband.  The important thing here is to understand that it is for edification only where this authority is given and therefore backed up by God through signs and wonders to the one being instructed.  This is NOT an everyday occurrance and only works with women who belong unto God the Father for he chastens those he loves.  My personal experience has taught me that women who belong to God have a great desire to truly please him and therefore require very little authority in any matter.  They are rather more than willing to submit rather than rebel.  

A warning to men who would wish to rule over others, including women:  if you expect God to back your words then you had better fit the model he has set for thise who would rule found throughout the bible.  Live up to these qualifications and prepare to be amazed what God is willing to do to show others that it is he not you who speaks.  Your just the messenger.  I try to never forget that.

All authority is given by God and no authority is to be despised. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Some believe they know who has authority over a woman because they can articulate an argument from scripture. While scripture study is commendable putting those argumemts to the test via practical application is the acid test.  I warn every woman who claims Christ not to usurp the authority of a man in any position or face the consequences associated with doing so.  Those whom God has given authority over you is for your edification and not your destruction.  I have personally commanded/instructed/directed women for their edification and have witnessed those who did not receive the correction suffer for it so I am a believer that God has given me authority over women who are his, even those who have a husband.  The important thing here is to understand that it is for edification only where this authority is given and therefore backed up by God through signs and wonders to the one being instructed.  This is NOT an everyday occurrance and only works with women who belong unto God the Father for he chastens those he loves.  My personal experience has taught me that women who belong to God have a great desire to truly please him and therefore require very little authority in any matter.  They are rather more than willing to submit rather than rebel.  

A warning to men who would wish to rule over others, including women:  if you expect God to back your words then you had better fit the model he has set for thise who would rule found throughout the bible.  Live up to these qualifications and prepare to be amazed what God is willing to do to show others that it is he not you who speaks.  Your just the messenger.  I try to never forget that.

All authority is given by God and no authority is to be despised. 

Nowhere in the Bible are men given authority over women, especially someone else's wife.   If I had a wife and you decided to exercise your "authority" over her, you and I would  be having a conference and you  would discover just how little authority you have over my wife.

Edited October 18, 2015 by shiloh357

[gdemoss]

Some believe they know who has authority over a woman because they can articulate an argument from scripture. While scripture study is commendable putting those argumemts to the test via practical application is the acid test.  I warn every woman who claims Christ not to usurp the authority of a man in any position or face the consequences associated with doing so.  Those whom God has given authority over you is for your edification and not your destruction.  I have personally commanded/instructed/directed women for their edification and have witnessed those who did not receive the correction suffer for it so I am a believer that God has given me authority over women who are his, even those who have a husband.  The important thing here is to understand that it is for edification only where this authority is given and therefore backed up by God through signs and wonders to the one being instructed.  This is NOT an everyday occurrance and only works with women who belong unto God the Father for he chastens those he loves.  My personal experience has taught me that women who belong to God have a great desire to truly please him and therefore require very little authority in any matter.  They are rather more than willing to submit rather than rebel.  

A warning to men who would wish to rule over others, including women:  if you expect God to back your words then you had better fit the model he has set for thise who would rule found throughout the bible.  Live up to these qualifications and prepare to be amazed what God is willing to do to show others that it is he not you who speaks.  Your just the messenger.  I try to never forget that.

All authority is given by God and no authority is to be despised. 

Nowhere in the Bible are men given authority over women, especially someone else's wife.   If I had a wife and you decided to exercise your "authority" over her, you and I would  be having a conference and you  would discover just how little authority you have over my wife.

lol Shiloh, if you had a wife I don't believe she would ever get out of line or need correction that you would not have already addressed.  I see you on the boards with other mens wives, correcting them.  You already do much of that which I speak of.