When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

[Reinitin]

13 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

No I didn't say it wasn't rebuilt.

But you're majoring on minors.

Even if it was rebuilt into a thriving place where their wealth had been recovered by the time Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70 AD, this alone is not in any way enough to discount the very high level witness already provided for its late date.  It was a thriving, wealthy place at the end of the 1st century as well.  So nothing here mandates that we understand this was speaking of a time before 70AD.

 

 

Sorry, I know you didn't say any thing you copy and pasted Internal evidence of the late date and  Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.  Was one of you points. I know this statement to be untrue because I have seen the excavation of Laodicea and heard how they rebuilt so quickly after the earthquake.   Even tho the city was devastated by the earth quake their trade and wealth increased. 

Edited February 18, 2016 by Reinitin

[Reinitin]

13 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

Again, majoring on minors.

The parallel is that the Temple had been destroyed when Ezekiel had his vision of the Temple.

So scripture gives us an example of how God gives a vision of the Temple AFTER it has been destroyed without mentioning it was destroyed.     So the fact there is no mention of the destruction of the Temple in the Apocalypse of John is  non sequitur - the conclusion this means the Temple was still standing  "does not follow."    We have evidence from elsewhere in scripture of God giving a vision of the Temple after the Temple was destroyed without mentioning it was destroyed.

A non sequitur is a logical fallacy.

 

As far as warnings go, God did send His warning -  through Jesus.   Jesus warned that the generation he spoke to would not pass till all had come to pass regarding the destruction of the Temple.  He warned them want to look for so they could escape.   They heeded his warnings and the Christians escaped according to Jesus' word when they saw the legions marching on Jerusalem.

 

I'm not majoring Minors. I just know there is still a prince that will offer a sacrifice for sin in a temple on temple mount in our future. Daniel and the other prophets mention it too. Daniel tells us that the prince will be from the people that destroyed the Temple we know of in 70 ad. I see Ezekiel prophecy is for the day of the Lord that is ahead of us. Not the temple behind him and not the day of the Lord that made escape from the churches Bondage to Rome in 70 ad. We still have another Deliverance promised for the Lord's Israel in the future.

Edited February 18, 2016 by Reinitin

[BlindSeeker]

5 hours ago, FresnoJoe said:

Many Will Trust In Their "Church" And "Good" Works Or Manly Pants To Save Them

And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:2 (ESV) 

You Know! The Calvary Chapels, Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, RCC, Greek Orthodox, 
Republicans, Democrats, Trash Recyclers, The Cuby's, The Black Hawks, 
Givers Through The United Way, PBS Contributes, Etc., Etc.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)

But A Few Will Trust In Jesus And Jesus Alone

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:2 (NIV)

As Their Salvation

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5 (BSB)

For The LORD Is Our Only Hope

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6 (NASB)

And Beloved Nobody But Nobody Will Steal HIS Glory

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

Love, Your Brother Joe

Amen Brother Joe!

[Reinitin]

9 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I'm not majoring Minors. I just know there is still a prince that will offer a sacrifice for sin in a temple on temple mount in our future. Daniel and the other prophets mention it too. Daniel tells us that the prince will be from the people that destroyed the Temple we know of in 70 ad. I see Ezekiel prophecy is for the day of the Lord that is ahead of us. Not the temple behind him and not the day of the Lord that made escape from the churches Bondage to Rome in 70 ad. We still have another Deliverance promised for the Lord's Israel in the future.

I also see another major humbling and correction to Gods people in the future too.

[thereselittleflower]

39 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

Sorry, I know you didn't say any thing you copy and pasted Internal evidence of the late date and  Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.  Was one of you points. I know this statement to be untrue because I have seen the excavation of Laodicea and heard how they rebuilt so quickly after the earthquake.   Even tho the city was devastated by the earth quake their trade and wealth increased. 

Again, you are majoring on minors -  you are hyperfocusing on this to the exclusion of all else, as if, somehow, by pushing your view here on one small piece of the argument, you've discounted all other proofs and evidences and arguments for a late authorship.

Debate doesn't work that way.

 

20 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I'm not majoring Minors. I just know there is still a prince that will offer a sacrifice for sin in a temple on temple mount in our future. Daniel and the other prophets mention it too. Daniel tells us that the prince will be from the people that destroyed the Temple we know of in 70 ad. I see Ezekiel prophecy is for the day of the Lord that is ahead of us. Not the temple behind him and not the day of the Lord that made escape from the churches Bondage to Rome in 70 ad. We still have another Deliverance promised for the Lord's Israel in the future.

 

There is only one offering for sin, and that is Jesus, and he was already offered 2000 years ago, once and for all.  There remains no more sacrifice for sin.

So what you know is in error.

 

[Reinitin]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

The Bible is a book comprised of over 40 authors and 1600 years God inspired .... One way, one truth, one life!
Here is the proper approach to let Scripture teach itself by The Holy Spirit:

You may say this is to much work; I don't have the ability. This is why God has given Holy Spirit inspired teachers
that are able and do the work and give the proper hermeneutic of Scripture...  Love, Steven

I like this.. Did you know the bible was divided about 1527 I think? A friend of John Calvin, a printer inserted the chapter breaks, put in narratives and indexed the verses. If we take verses out of context and away from understanding the witnesses relationship with God, the intent of the author, we may come up with 10s of thousands disagreements on doctrine and totally become a false witness to Gods purposes, persons and character. Oh wait, we already have done that:) BTW has anyone examined the fruit of John Calvin's tree?

[Reinitin]

6 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Again, you are majoring on minors -  you are hyperfocusing on this to the exclusion of all else, as if, somehow, by pushing your view here on one small piece of the argument, you've discounted all other proofs and evidences and arguments for a late authorship.

Debate doesn't work that way.

 

 

There is only one offering for sin, and that is Jesus, and he was already offered 2000 years ago, once and for all.  There remains no more sacrifice for sin.

So what you know is in error.

 

I know there is only one offering for Sin. I didn't say God wasn't going to appoint wrath for it. He is.

[thereselittleflower]

13 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I like this.. Did you know the bible was divided about 1527 I think? A friend of John Calvin, a printer inserted the chapter breaks, put in narratives and indexed the verses. If we take verses out of context and away from understanding the witnesses relationship with God, the intent of the author, we may come up with 10s of thousands disagreements on doctrine and totally become a false witness to Gods purposes, persons and character. Oh wait, we already have done that:) BTW has anyone examined the fruit of John Calvin's tree?

No, this happened before Calvin and his friends were born.

Chapters are seen as early as the 9th century.

Archbishop Stephen Langton and Cardinal Hugo de Sancto Caro developed different schemas for systematic division of the Bible in the early 13th century. It is the system of Archbishop Langton on which the modern chapter divisions are based.

 Robert Estienne created an alternate numbering in his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament [14] which was also used in his 1553 publication of the Bible in French. Estienne's system of division was widely adopted, and it is this system which is found in almost all modern Bibles. Estienne produced a 1555 Vulgate that is the first Bible to include the verse numbers integrated into the text. Before this work, they were printed in the margins.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible

 

These divisions are artificial and often take away from the meaning of the text.

[Reinitin]

Just now, Reinitin said:

I know there is only one offering for Sin. I didn't say God wasn't going to appoint wrath for it. He is.

Sister the only thing I try to exclude from my study is witness from people that show fruits of murder, greed, deception, power seeking, enslaving people by taxation, people stand in front of the open door Christ gave us and proclaim you have to go through a different door which usually has a dollars sign attached for their wealth, I try to turn away from people that proclaiming them self to be God, too. In other words Satan's messengers that masquerade as messengers of righteousness leave us false information I try to completely avoid because the word tells us to avoid them if we can identify their works. I honestly think the whole cloaking of Jesus coming quickly to deliver the new church Is so people think God lets evil rule and we are supposed to allow the evil and greed of the vatican dynasty.

[thereselittleflower]

 

15 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I know there is only one offering for Sin. I didn't say God wasn't going to appoint wrath for it. He is.

There is no sin offering in a "future earthly temple."