san bernardino massacre ties to isis

[Guest shiloh357]

8 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

could we , or would we say its all of islam ? or are we forging a hate to9wards the people as a whole, like they are terrorist, all of them ?

i think we need to not point to a few ,to be the representative of the whole Islamic people, there is very good people and families, caught in the middle of all this and will be ousted and harassed and even killed, just because they are of Islamic origin, and that is not fair to them, i would keep the comments to individuals and not broaden this statement, for it goes against our love one another,

the muslim people are people just like us, and i don't like when people will put all in one category to make a point, its wrong and not wise,

it also escalates fears and hate toward a group, do we not get persecuted for believing in Jesus and reading the bible, does that make us bad people ? it is all about perception, and what our words are , they are like swords, our tongues alone will and can save  a person or kill a person,

and this is why i do not like war and terrorist anymore then the next, but it is now become the common denominator of the world , and all the peace and love we want ,there will be no peace, for when they say peace and safety, well then it all breaks loose,

First of all, just because not all Muslims are terrorists doesn't mean that they don't share the same goals of the terrorists.  Many "peaceful and loving"  Muslims raise money for the terrorists.  They provide money, food, encouragement and inspiration.  They work to support the terrorists and that is undisputable fact.

The terrorist network is not just a few, but a much larger amount than many in the media are willing to be honest about.   There are over  1 Billion Muslims in the world.  If only 1% of them are terrorists, that's 10 million terrorists.   Do you want 10 million terrorists unleased on the US?    Do you have any idea how much damage 10 million terrorists could do?

Add in all those "peaceful"  Muslims who do all of the fundraising for them and provide all kinds of support, and you have a much larger terrorist network.   Furthermore Saudi Arabia and other oil rich nations have a terroristic agenda against the US and that is no secret either.

Condemning terrorists isn't about condemning everyone in the Muslim faith, but the Muslim faith, as a whole, does nothing really meaningful to stem the flow and in fact, much of the Muslim community is silent in the face of attacks and they do nothing to stop terrorism.

The Muslim people are not like us; they are not like us at all.   Islam holds to a completely different set of values, they worship a different god, and are basically pagans.  The Islamic religion is bent on world domination.    Islam is nothing but Sharia death cult.   One only needs to examine how they act in Muslim countries towards Non-Muslims to see that they are not like us.

[SINNERSAVED]

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

First of all, just because not all Muslims are terrorists doesn't mean that they don't share the same goals of the terrorists.  Many "peaceful and loving"  Muslims raise money for the terrorists.  They provide money, food, encouragement and inspiration.  They work to support the terrorists and that is undisputable fact.

The terrorist network is not just a few, but a much larger amount than many in the media are willing to be honest about.   There are over  1 Billion Muslims in the world.  If only 1% of them are terrorists, that's 10 million terrorists.   Do you want 10 million terrorists unleased on the US?    Do you have any idea how much damage 10 million terrorists could do?

Add in all those "peaceful"  Muslims who do all of the fundraising for them and provide all kinds of support, and you have a much larger terrorist network.   Furthermore Saudi Arabia and other oil rich nations have a terroristic agenda against the US and that is no secret either.

Condemning terrorists isn't about condemning everyone in the Muslim faith, but the Muslim faith, as a whole, does nothing really meaningful to stem the flow and in fact, much of the Muslim community is silent in the face of attacks and they do nothing to stop terrorism.

The Muslim people are not like us; they are not like us at all.   Islam holds to a completely different set of values, they worship a different god, and are basically pagans.  The Islamic religion is bent on world domination.    Islam is nothing but Sharia death cult.   One only needs to examine how they act in Muslim countries towards Non-Muslims to see that they are not like us.

i am totally aware of what your are stating and otherone, i am saying if we are to be the light and salt of God, and follow Jesus and be a ambassador for the kingdom, we must understand the whole picture, we have terrorist killing there own, and now we have good muslims and bad muslims, i get the terrorist follow and want to kill us, in the name of allah, i get that , please do not think i have not understood , or did not  study , this,

we are to pray always , that we are worthy and able to have the wisdom and knowledge of the spirit of love, for yes, terrorist, they are coming, and we are seeing this as normal , the shootings in the schools as normal, we see that there is problems in isolating , and understanding how it has grown out of control ,

but we have to show love for our enemies also, this is hard to understand unless you are walking in the spirit , and so we as believers get it , and we know that it is a matter of time before we are used by God as  a sacrifice for what ever is need in His plan, it is not for us, to be in fear, but to know God and seek God in these times, we cannot get caught in the world for we knew this was going to happen.

here we are learning a lesson for sure, are we doers of the word , if we hate those that ate us, for the non believer does not love or have compassion on his enemy, but we are told as followers of Christ, to love,,, to love,, not to hate , not to be angry, not to worry about tomorrow, jesus teaching on the mount is for you and for me , that is all i am saying ,let us hear what the spirit says, and fear not , for He has over come the world , nothing is impossible with God, but we may see the worst , before we see the glory, lets be ready, and prepared to meet the lord, for we are at the doors,

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, SINNERSAVED said:

i am totally aware of what your are stating and otherone, i am saying if we are to be the light and salt of God, and follow Jesus and be a ambassador for the kingdom, we must understand the whole picture, we have terrorist killing there own, and now we have good muslims and bad muslims, i get the terrorist follow and want to kill us, in the name of allah, i get that , please do not think i have not understood , or did not  study , this,

we are to pray always , that we are worthy and able to have the wisdom and knowledge of the spirit of love, for yes, terrorist, they are coming, and we are seeing this as normal , the shootings in the schools as normal, we see that there is problems in isolating , and understanding how it has grown out of control ,

but we have to show love for our enemies also, this is hard to understand unless you are walking in the spirit , and so we as believers get it , and we know that it is a matter of time before we are used by God as  a sacrifice for what ever is need in His plan, it is not for us, to be in fear, but to know God and seek God in these times, we cannot get caught in the world for we knew this was going to happen.

here we are learning a lesson for sure, are we doers of the word , if we hate those that ate us, for the non believer does not love or have compassion on his enemy, but we are told as followers of Christ, to love,,, to love,, not to hate , not to be angry, not to worry about tomorrow, jesus teaching on the mount is for you and for me , that is all i am saying ,let us hear what the spirit says, and fear not , for He has over come the world , nothing is impossible with God, but we may see the worst , before we see the glory, lets be ready, and prepared to meet the lord, for we are at the doors,

We don't hate anyone.   But we need to stop being naïve about the fact that our enemies mean to destroy us and we need to vigilant and we need to identify who these people are and take defensive countermeasures to stop them and thwart their intentions.

We are not called on to be sheep the slaughter for these terrorists, and most of us agree that this needs to be stopped and our gov't needs to step up to the plate and put an end to these people who are bent on destroying the United States.

So spare me your spiritual platitudes.  We are a nation at war and it is time we stop dancing around reality and start engaging the threat that is before us.

[other one]

26 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

i am totally aware of what your are stating and otherone, i am saying if we are to be the light and salt of God, and follow Jesus and be a ambassador for the kingdom, we must understand the whole picture, we have terrorist killing there own, and now we have good muslims and bad muslims, i get the terrorist follow and want to kill us, in the name of allah, i get that , please do not think i have not understood , or did not  study , this,

we are to pray always , that we are worthy and able to have the wisdom and knowledge of the spirit of love, for yes, terrorist, they are coming, and we are seeing this as normal , the shootings in the schools as normal, we see that there is problems in isolating , and understanding how it has grown out of control ,

but we have to show love for our enemies also, this is hard to understand unless you are walking in the spirit , and so we as believers get it , and we know that it is a matter of time before we are used by God as  a sacrifice for what ever is need in His plan, it is not for us, to be in fear, but to know God and seek God in these times, we cannot get caught in the world for we knew this was going to happen.

here we are learning a lesson for sure, are we doers of the word , if we hate those that ate us, for the non believer does not love or have compassion on his enemy, but we are told as followers of Christ, to love,,, to love,, not to hate , not to be angry, not to worry about tomorrow, jesus teaching on the mount is for you and for me , that is all i am saying ,let us hear what the spirit says, and fear not , for He has over come the world , nothing is impossible with God, but we may see the worst , before we see the glory, lets be ready, and prepared to meet the lord, for we are at the doors,

I really don't think you understand what Mohammad taught.....   and what he taught is Islam at it's core.    you can't be a real muslim without supporting sharia law, and you can't support sharia without supporting Jihad.

The difference between a moderate Muslim and a Radical is that a Radical Muslim wants to cut your head off....   and a moderate Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to cut your head off.     If that is not the case then they are not truly Muslim and are actually worse than infidels and that's why Muslims kill Muslims.

[SINNERSAVED]

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

We don't hate anyone.   But we need to stop being naïve about the fact that our enemies mean to destroy us and we need to vigilant and we need to identify who these people are and take defensive countermeasures to stop them and thwart their intentions.

We are not called on to be sheep the slaughter for these terrorists, and most of us agree that this needs to be stopped and our gov't needs to step up to the plate and put an end to these people who are bent on destroying the United States.

So spare me your spiritual platitudes.  We are a nation at war and it is time we stop dancing around reality and start engaging the threat that is before us.

WOW, ......spiritual platitudes , not engaging ? should we get our Guns and just start shooting ?

really,   do you not think I am for real ?

do you not think I don't know about war ?

we are sent as sheep to the wolves ,it is called scripture, and seems to me, that with all that's going on,

if our country is not stepping up,    what do you suggest ? for there will be rumors of wars , and those in Jesus name will be hated and persecuted and jailed and killed  for His name sake ? do you not see we are at war in our own country ?

removing God  out of everywhere ,and making it harder to live in the biblical beliefs as Christians ?

are you saying to forget what we are told by Jesus ?, and arm ourselves and start fighting, ?

if I am naïve ?, then what is this you are stating to everyone , with your comments and fears ?

you can see the terrorist, but do you not see the war against our own selves , taking our rights away , and unemployment , and rules and laws to control, and to place you ,unable to be a free person, for this country me and our families have fought so hard for ?

do you think we are not under attack , and have been, satan has been at it for longer then you been around ,and we are about to lose everything we thought was  a free world , and for our families,?

then you are not !, looking at the real threats, and the real problems we are really facing . blessing to you , and to God be the glory !!

[Guest shiloh357]

7 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

WOW, ......spiritual platitudes , not engaging ? should we get our Guns and just start shooting ?

really,   do you not think I am for real ?

do you not think I don't know about war ?

we are sent as sheep to the wolves ,it is called scripture, and seems to me, that with all that's going on,

if our country is not stepping up,    what do you suggest ? for there will be rumors of wars , and those in Jesus name will be hated and persecuted and jailed and killed  for His name sake ? do you not see we are at war in our own country ?

removing God  out of everywhere ,and making it harder to live in the biblical beliefs as Christians ?

are you saying to forget what we are told by Jesus ?, and arm ourselves and start fighting, ?

if I am naïve ?, then what is this you are stating to everyone , with your comments and fears ?

you can see the terrorist, but do you not see the war against our own selves , taking our rights away , and unemployment , and rules and laws to control, and to place you ,unable to be a free person, for this country me and our families have fought so hard for ?

do you think we are not under attack , and have been, satan has been at it for longer then you been around ,and we are about to lose everything we thought was  a free world , and for our families,?

then you are not !, looking at the real threats, and the real problems we are really facing . blessing to you , and to God be the glory !!

I am not saying that we need to go on a shooting spree and just go out of control.   What I am saying is that we need to adopt defensive countermeasures on a personal and governmental level to harden ourselves against terrorism.   We need to armed because when terrorist come into a restaurant and start shooting, it will be 5-9 minutes before law enforcement arrive even if they are called the minute the shooting starts.   Citizens need to be armed so they can respond and defend themselves.  Americans need to get the training and skill to use and own a firearm and then they are in  position to save lives that would otherwise be snuffed out by terrorists.

We don't have to sit around and just get shot up and have families destroyed.  We can save lives and we can blunt the effect of terrorism and perhaps make the price for terrorism higher than the terrorists want to pay.

To sit around and think that "loving our enemies"  means that we are to just allow ourselves to slaughtered, is complete nonsense.   Jesus never taught that we are prohibited from self defense of any kind. 

And yes, I do think you are being naïve.

 

[The_Patriot21]

6 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

 

Why would you worry about this ? damage is done, and we are now just speculating it to be terrorist ? do we have anything other then news media? saying its terrorist?

Hmm. Again with the conspiracy theories. Or, are you saying it was some disturbed individual with a gun our messed up Constitution allowed him to have, you know like our current administration would like us to have?

[SINNERSAVED]

20 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I am not saying that we need to go on a shooting spree and just go out of control.   What I am saying is that we need to adopt defensive countermeasures on a personal and governmental level to harden ourselves against terrorism.   We need to armed because when terrorist come into a restaurant and start shooting, it will be 5-9 minutes before law enforcement arrive even if they are called the minute the shooting starts.   Citizens need to be armed so they can respond and defend themselves.  Americans need to get the training and skill to use and own a firearm and then they are in  position to save lives that would otherwise be snuffed out by terrorists.

We don't have to sit around and just get shot up and have families destroyed.  We can save lives and we can blunt the effect of terrorism and perhaps make the price for terrorism higher than the terrorists want to pay.

To sit around and think that "loving our enemies"  means that we are to just allow ourselves to slaughtered, is complete nonsense.   Jesus never taught that we are prohibited from self defense of any kind. 

And yes, I do think you are being naïve.

 

okay , lets look at it this way, for everytime a shooting goes on , we are told and they want to take your guns away as a citizen and place harder and harder restrictions on you  even  to owning a Gun, the gun grab system is placed like clock work every time, so we see that more and more people are told guns kill people, and we need to enforce stopping people with Guns, this is well documented fact !

now if we are told that they don't want us to have guns , how are we to protect our selves, and who is doing the pushing on taking your guns, ?

here is  a twist for you, if we need to defend our selves we call in the national guard right, to help and to protect and to provide security and response to the needy situation,, so the next time you think the national guard is going to help us, think again,

the powers that be replaced the black hawk helicopters with transport helicopters, so there went your help, so if you disarm , the people to have guns , take the equipment from our last line of defense national guards, and place stricter laws on the people so that you do not even have the right to petition or rally against the problem, or be arrested ,

then how do you think we are supposed to defend our selves, ? we have military soldiers under arrest and being discharged for talking about God and the bible , in our own service , who would have seen this? 

they are being kicked out, for doing that. so I would re examine who is the threat and what we are facing in our country before we see who is coming across the borders, for who knows what shape our borders are in ,

[SINNERSAVED]

7 minutes ago, the_patriot2015 said:

Hmm. Again with the conspiracy theories. Or, are you saying it was some disturbed individual with a gun our messed up Constitution allowed him to have, you know like our current administration would like us to have?

Patriot , just can t let it go? I have been nice ,    I will not sling mud for mud , for you make this personal everytime  ,and that is a shame,

I told you your responses    give you away. brother..

[MorningGlory]

2 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

okay , lets look at it this way, for everytime a shooting goes on , we are told and they want to take your guns away as a citizen and place harder and harder restrictions on you  even  to owning a Gun, the gun grab system is placed like clock work every time, so we see that more and more people are told guns kill people, and we need to enforce stopping people with Guns, this is well documented fact !

now if we are told that they don't want us to have guns , how are we to protect our selves, and who is doing the pushing on taking your guns, ?

here is  a twist for you, if we need to defend our selves we call in the national guard right, to help and to protect and to provide security and response to the needy situation,, so the next time you think the national guard is going to help us, think again,

the powers that be replaced the black hawk helicopters with transport helicopters, so there went your help, so if you disarm , the people to have guns , take the equipment from our last line of defense national guards, and place stricter laws on the people so that you do not even have the right to petition or rally against the problem, or be arrested ,

then how do you think we are supposed to defend our selves, ? we have military soldiers under arrest and being discharged for talking about God and the bible , in our own service , who would have seen this? 

they are being kicked out, for doing that. so I would re examine who is the threat and what we are facing in our country before we see who is coming across the borders, for who knows what shape our borders are in ,

Sorry, SS, the words in bold above are flat out not true.  I live near Ellington Field, in Houston, and yesterday I was at the Conroe Airport about fifty miles from here.  Blackhawks everywhere, just as they always have been.  They do weekly exercises that go right over my house and office also.  And, yes, I do know a Blackhawk when I see one since I've lived here for over twenty years.  I don't know where you got that stuff from.  The National Guard trains right down the road from here and they are very much on the job.

Let me sum it up; yes the PC idiots are running amok.  Yes, the anti-gun lobby is yelling for increased BACKGROUND checks and closing the gun show sales loophole.  There is NO legislation to take away anyone's guns.  And, yes, muslim terrorists are the greatest threat we face.  I can't put it any plainer than that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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