san bernardino massacre ties to isis

[The_Patriot21]

well sinner, its become obvious, that you actually dont have a point, in fact you havent made one single intelligent argument yet. You are here simply to mock us, and stir up trouble. So, I am done responding to your nonsense until such time as you come up with a intelligent argument.

 

P.S. next time you want to mock someone, learn how to use the quote feature.

[Hippie333]

France....the most strict laws on guns in the Western world..... how did that work out?

[MorningGlory]

Just now, Hippie333 said:

France....the most strict laws on guns in the Western world..... how did that work out?

Good point. 

[SINNERSAVED]

23 hours ago, the_patriot2015 said:

Funny, when I ask you to verify what you say (or actually make a point) im the bad guy, but now you expect me to? Alright, fine let me verify this. First off, I dont need to verify that the shootings had terrorist ties-pretty much every legitimate source to date, has been confirming that. And to date, you havent come up with a single piece of evidence against that. So, we have verified, that the attacks in california were terrorists, or at least have more verification then you do. I dont need to take all day to reply to know that.

 

Second, when it comes to helicopters, you yourself has proven you have no clue what your talking about. My proof? right hereL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_UH-60_Black_Hawk 

 

But go ahead, continue telling me that it wasnt terrorists who shot up St. bernandine, because the national Gaurd cant protect us, since theyre replacing their transport helicopters with more transport helicopters. None of your argument so far, has made even a lick of sense, you have zero verification of any of it (no evidence) and so far all ive gotten out of it is "cant be terrorists, and guns are bad" yet you cant back either claim up. But yet, thats just me shooting off the hip without bothering checking into anything....hard to check into something when you wont even tell me what "it" is or even give me any "evidence" of this supposed "it"

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/obama-seeks-confiscate-apache-helicopters-national-guard/

THIS IS WHERE I SAW IT, .

[SINNERSAVED]

Just now, SINNERSAVED said:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/obama-seeks-confiscate-apache-helicopters-national-guard/

THIS IS WHERE I SAW IT, .

[The_Patriot21]

Well, there's a huge difference between an Apache and a blackhawk, but I'll assume you just got your words crossed. Happens to the best of us.

 

Thanks by the way for verifying, but let me point something out. This sight, isn't what I can see as a reputable news sight, but even if true, it is nothing to be all that concerned about. First off, its not weakening our military as the author claims-on the contrary its strengthening our militaries offensive capabilities. Even if its weakening our defensive capabilities.

 

As far as weakening our defensive capabilities still not a bad deal. Look at it this way if we do end up in a martial law type scenario which is somewhat far fetched, its one less weapon that can be used against us. And, its a weapon that would do us no good-if the national gaurd joined the anti government side, the Apaches are no match for our air force, all 192 Apaches would be eliminated in a matter of days by the air force. The Apache is an aging helicopter with outdated equipment, all easily surpassed by other branches, and probably not to far from retirement.

[SINNERSAVED]

okay , this is my third try , patriot I really like you brother, but you have to stop giving excuses ,when I give you  resource that are good, don't down play this, just read it , its valid, and its my fault did not get the names right on the helicopter, My bad, and let me give you another thing to throw around, I love to debate with you,

two days before the mass shooting, there was a full mock drill with crises actors , and at the same building, HuH ????

and more hear say, they have active shooter drills monthly in this building, every month,    what ???? now why would this be , and does that not sound  odd ? let me try to dig that up , I want to find good resources so you , I will go work on that,,

and remember Patriot , I love you man ......

[The_Patriot21]

Sinner, I provided no excuses, I gave you a legitimate reply. Your source I don't think is the most reputable, but if you had actually read my reply, you would see that I answered it as if it were. That's not excuses that's a well thought out argument, just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

 

And again, your going on about a "drill" that happened beforhand, without stating your opinion on it. Now last time I said you were stating a conspiracy and you were offended. This time, let me ask you two questions:

1: what is your evidence that such a drill took place

 

2: and please answer this one straight, where are you going with this? Who do you think is behind the shooting?

[SINNERSAVED]

On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2015‎ ‎5‎:‎58‎:‎23‎, shiloh357 said:

California and Chicago have the stricktest gun laws in the country.   Chicago has more gun violence than just about anywhere in the country even though they have some of the toughest gun control laws.

The problem is that criminals are lawless.  You can pass laws until you are blue in the face and it won't matter to them, because they will still continue to break those laws.  The only ones who obey the laws, are the 58 million legal gun owners in the US who have killed anybody or committed a crime with a gun.

Guns don't kill people.   If guns kill people then I guess cars drive drunk.   Restricting gun laws because someone uses it to commit a heinous crimes is as stupid as passing car control laws because someone used a car to rob a bank or rammed their car into a group of people.    We don't pass laws against many other things that are used to kill people.

The problem is with people, not guns.  The problem is Islamic radicalization in this case.  The problem is with Islam, not guns.   But liberals want to make it about other issues because they are too stupid to identify the real problem.

No, we need to look at who is coming across our borders.  Living in the US is privilege, not a right and we need to be way more picky about who let in.  There was a time when immigrants had to prove you had a skill and would be good for the country.  We didn't just let in every low life that crawls across the border.    Our problem is that we are letting in people who mean us harm, and we need a better system and we need to fix the border, like what Israel has in the west bank.  One of the best border fences in the world.

I was not talking about the gun restriction as the key, no I think you miss understood what I was saying,

what I said earlier, that every time a shooting goes on , they crack down more and more on laws, and say that guns need to be taken away and harder for people, but what I was saying , is ? this is there excuse to get your guns, and impose these laws to make it impossible to get them , and try to get rid of them all together,  I know guns don't kill people but the people that use them, I know this,

so they find any reason , and have you noticed that , we have a shooting like every month or so , and its becoming the normal, I do not believe , and here I go , but this is my opinion  ! and observation , my personal thought,, that all these shootings don't seem right, it has never been like this, but someone stated that they would make  it a priority to deal with this situation , for this year , and it has escalated like never before, this year . Huh,,,,this is just my own thought, does this even sound right, thank you for letting me explain what I was saying ,

[MorningGlory]

13 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

okay , this is my third try , patriot I really like you brother, but you have to stop giving excuses ,when I give you  resource that are good, don't down play this, just read it , its valid, and its my fault did not get the names right on the helicopter, My bad, and let me give you another thing to throw around, I love to debate with you,

two days before the mass shooting, there was a full mock drill with crises actors , and at the same building, HuH ????

and more hear say, they have active shooter drills monthly in this building, every month,    what ???? now why would this be , and does that not sound  odd ? let me try to dig that up , I want to find good resources so you , I will go work on that,,

and remember Patriot , I love you man ......

Yes, these active shooter drills are pretty much the norm, especially in large corporations.  My company has them, although about every six months, along with infectious disease seminars and natural disaster drills.