Vatican: Jews can be saved without Christ

[OldSchool2]

12 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

More proof that the Pope is a false prophet.

This "report" doesn't come from Francis, but the anonymous clerics of the "Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews" that supposedly states:

"'Although Jews cannot believe in Jesus Christ as the universal redeemer, they have a part in salvation, because the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,' the report concluded...."

If I understand English -- and according to the Defense Information School I certainly do -- the unsaved can and do have a part to play in our salvation, even if they themselves are not partakers.

Otherwise, this statement is not in conflict with Romans 11 where Paul writes that Israel's blindness is not permanent and that "... all Israel shall be saved" (v. 26).

[Ezra]

4 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

This "report" doesn't come from Francis, but the anonymous clerics of the "Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews" that supposedly states:

"'Although Jews cannot believe in Jesus Christ as the universal redeemer, they have a part in salvation, because the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,' the report concluded...."

If I understand English -- and according to the Defense Information School I certainly do -- the unsaved can and do have a part to play in our salvation, even if they themselves are not partakers.

Otherwise, this statement is not in conflict with Romans 11 where Paul writes that Israel's blindness is not permanent and that "... all Israel shall be saved" (v. 26).

There is a huge difference between "they have a part in salvation" (which means that they will be saved) and "they have a part to play in our salvation" (which is essentially meaningless). You missed reading this (perhaps did not read the articles):

The report also said that while it is only thanks to Christ’s death and resurrection that all people have the chance of salvation, Jews can benefit from this without believing in him. The authors appear to acknowledge that they are effectively squaring a theological circle, however, since how Jews can be saved while not believing in Christ “remains an unfathomable mystery in the salvific plan of God.”

[OldSchool2]

1 minute ago, Ezra said:

There is a huge difference between "they have a part in salvation" (which means that they will be saved) ...

How is anyone "partly" saved?

And again, this "theology" didn't come from Francis, who has been a scape-goat on these forums before.

And I don't think Paul had to square any theological circles in Romans 11 when he wrote that "... all Israel shall be saved" because somehow they will be.

Or do I hear an objection to that?

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

This "report" doesn't come from Francis, but the anonymous clerics of the "Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews" that supposedly states:

"'Although Jews cannot believe in Jesus Christ as the universal redeemer, they have a part in salvation, because the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable,' the report concluded...."

If I understand English -- and according to the Defense Information School I certainly do -- the unsaved can and do have a part to play in our salvation, even if they themselves are not partakers.

Otherwise, this statement is not in conflict with Romans 11 where Paul writes that Israel's blindness is not permanent and that "... all Israel shall be saved" (v. 26).

I guess if you are willing to settle for convoluted sloppy thelogy as what emanates from the Roman cult, I guess you would be satisfied with that.   The unsaved play no part in our salvation, I don't care what that cult and its leaders say.  They are not saved anyway and they have no authority for me or anyone who is genuine follower of Christ.

The message that was put out was, "no need to evangelize the Jews."   That's a good reason why I can write off the teachings of the RCC as not worth the paper I use to line my cat's litterbox.

[OldSchool2]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I guess if you are willing to settle for convoluted sloppy thelogy as what emanates from the Roman cult, I guess you would be satisfied with that.   The unsaved play no part in our salvation....

... as Hitler had no part in (unintentionally) re-establishing Israel by trying to destroy it? Or Cyrus (2 Chron. 36:22-3)?

After all, "Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee" (Psalm 76:10).

 

[MorningGlory]

Completely false.  Jesus told us the ONLY way to the Father is through Him.  Telling Jews they can be saved without coming to the Messiah is pure heresy.  How many souls will be lost because of this?

[Guest shiloh357]

11 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

... as Hitler had no part in (unintentionally) re-establishing Israel by trying to destroy it? Or Cyrus (2 Chron. 36:22-3)?

After all, "Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee" (Psalm 76:10).

 

We play a part in their salvation.  They play no part in our salvation.  Salvation is the result of a personal encounter with Jesus.   Unsaved people play no part in that.

 

[MorningGlory]

14 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

I was told we cannot talk about this, or bring this up ? was I told wrong ?

anything to do with ,you know who ? , at you know where ?

We all talk about it, SS, and it IS news.  We are just not to name call or be disrespectful to world leaders which, even though I disagree with everything the papacy stands for, would include the Pope.  We need to pray for the souls of over 1.5 billion Catholics.

[OldSchool2]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

We play a part in their salvation.  They play no part in our salvation.  Salvation is the result of a personal encounter with Jesus.   Unsaved people play no part in that.

How was the pagan Cyrus "saved" before he re-established Jerusalem after God stirred his spirit (2 Chron. 36:22-23)?

[OldSchool2]

29 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I guess if you are willing to settle for convoluted sloppy thelogy as what emanates from the Roman cult....

And Romans 11 is not "the Roman cult".