Rightly divide the Word of Truth!

[*Zion*]

6 hours ago, Ezra said:

Let's take a simple example (John 3:16), but even here we will not find 100% agreement:

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον (Textus Receptus)

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJB)

 

If we interpret this in the light of all Scripture then we should all agree that this verse is telling us:

 

GOD = the Father (which confirms the triune Godhead)

 

SO =  in such an amazing manner

 

LOVED = according to His grace, mercy, and loving kindness

 

THE WORLD = every human being, the world of humanity

 

THAT HE GAVE = Christ is God’s gift to sinners

 

HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON = Jesus is the eternal Son of God, therefore God

 

THAT WHOSOEVER = anyone and everyone, meaning no one is excluded

 

BELIEVETH = has unreserved faith (having heard the Gospel)

 

IN HIM = in the Person and finished work of Christ for our redemption, in His death, burial, and resurrection

 

SHOULD NOT PERISH = should not face eternal Hell, its torments, and punishment

 

BUT HAVE = salvation is a present possession for those who repent and believe the Gospel

 

EVERLASTING LIFE = the gift of eternal life, which includes the gift of the Holy Spirit

 

 

I agree 100%.  And we should all agree 100% with God's Word at all the time.  Not put our own spin on it.

[*Zion*]

2 Corinthians 4:1-4

 1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.  5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.

 

2 Timothy 2:15

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[coheir]

On 1/7/2016 at 9:00 PM, Ezra said:

Let's take a simple example (John 3:16), but even here we will not find 100% agreement:

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον (Textus Receptus)

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJB)

 

If we interpret this in the light of all Scripture then we should all agree that this verse is telling us:

 

GOD = the Father (which confirms the triune Godhead)

 

SO =  in such an amazing manner

 

LOVED = according to His grace, mercy, and loving kindness

 

THE WORLD = every human being, the world of humanity

 

THAT HE GAVE = Christ is God’s gift to sinners

 

HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON = Jesus is the eternal Son of God, therefore God

 

THAT WHOSOEVER = anyone and everyone, meaning no one is excluded

 

BELIEVETH = has unreserved faith (having heard the Gospel)

 

IN HIM = in the Person and finished work of Christ for our redemption, in His death, burial, and resurrection

 

SHOULD NOT PERISH = should not face eternal Hell, its torments, and punishment

 

BUT HAVE = salvation is a present possession for those who repent and believe the Gospel

 

EVERLASTING LIFE = the gift of eternal life, which includes the gift of the Holy Spirit

 

 

This is not meant to dispute it IS A Question from some one not as knowledgeable as you.

His only begotten son I thought it meant begotten of woman on earth ( which does not exclude him from eternal life just means born of woman? help please

Edited January 15, 2016 by coheir
correction

[Ezra]

9 hours ago, coheir said:

This is not meant to dispute it IS A Question from some one not as knowledgeable as you.

His only begotten son I thought it meant begotten of woman on earth ( which does not exclude him from eternal life just means born of woman? help please

Coheir,

If you will note in John 1:2 that Jesus was "in the beginning" with God.  That "beginning" goes beyond the beginning of creation since Micah 5:2 tells us that the One who was born in Bethlehem is One "whose goings forth have been from old, FROM EVERLASTING". Also John 1:18 tells us that Jesus "IS" in the bosom of the Father. Not "was", but always "is" (even while on earth).  "Bosom" speaks of an intimate and affectionate relationship, which is also an eternal Father-Son relationship within the Godhead.  

Divine "begetting" is not the same as human begetting, since Christ has no beginning and no end.  He Himself is the Alpha and the Omega, and He Himself is the Creator. Therefore "only begotten" (Greek monogenes) means uniquely begotten, and is not related to His human birth but Christ's eternal Sonship. That is also why Paul speaks of the virgin birth as "made of a woman" (Gal 4:4) -- a supernatural birth.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 7 January, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Ezra said:

Let's take a simple example (John 3:16), but even here we will not find 100% agreement:

Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον (Textus Receptus)

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJB

1) GOD 

2) SO 

3) LOVED 

4) THE WORLD 

5) THAT HE GAVE 

6) HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON 

7) THAT WHOSOEVER 

8) BELIEVETH 

 

9)  IN HIM 

10) SHOULD NOT PERISH 

11) BUT HAVE 

12) EVERLASTING LIFE 

I know that this verse is in the Gospel of Jonh. 3:16 

But, 

a) Who first say that?

Jesus did not say that, and many contemporary disciples of Jonh must have understand the mission of Jesus, and they must have conversations about that, and must also have similar writings  with the same meaning as Jonh 3:16, the fact that we don't have all these writings today, it does not mean they did not understand this concept, unless first they had to read the writings of Jonh. 

b) And who wrote that? 

We know that Jonh wrote this scripture, but the question includes what Jonh had in his mind when he wrote this scripture. 

I don't think and I have good reasons to say that,  you correctly have express the thoughts of Jonh, or the concepts Jonh had in his mind when he wrote this scripture, because you did not. 

Saying that, I am not going to throw any slandering and accusing words towards you, and look for some people to second my motions, but what I have to do is try and explain what I have in mine mind to explain why I said what I just have said.

No 6, his only begotten Son

Durring the baptism from Jonh, the voice of God was heard from heaven, and this voice was coming from high and above, like the echo of thunders, and he said: 

THIS IS MY SON, in whom I am well please.

There were a lot of people there Including Jonh the Baptist, and if you could ask them to discrive to you what happen and the man for whom these words were spoken , what do you think they will tell you, what their description will be.

They may say, that has never happen before, a voice from heaven and it was unexpected, not when the people were told to prepare them selfs, and gather at the mount Sina, and the voice came from the mountain, or when they were gather together in front of the door of the Tabernacle, this time is deferent and the voice was coming not from the Temple in Jerusalem, but from above.

And if you ask them to describe the one to whom the voice was meant for, that's what they will say,  

It meant for a man about thirty years old, who is about, ( his high), and about his weight, and the color of his eyes the length and the color of his hair, and that he was dressed and speak like a Gallilian, and his name was Jesus, some well train observer may say that the voice from above was spoken in a jewis or Gallilian accent. 

And they also said this was the voice of God.

And he is telling us that none of us, including Jonh the Baptist are his sons, 

Only this Jesus is his Son, and no one else, and he has only one Son, like the Lord in the Garden he had only one Adam, and he could not have another after he lost him.

 

[coheir]

4 hours ago, Ezra said:

Coheir,

If you will note in John 1:2 that Jesus was "in the beginning" with God.  That "beginning" goes beyond the beginning of creation since Micah 5:2 tells us that the One who was born in Bethlehem is One "whose goings forth have been from old, FROM EVERLASTING". Also John 1:18 tells us that Jesus "IS" in the bosom of the Father. Not "was", but always "is" (even while on earth).  "Bosom" speaks of an intimate and affectionate relationship, which is also an eternal Father-Son relationship within the Godhead.  

Divine "begetting" is not the same as human begetting, since Christ has no beginning and no end.  He Himself is the Alpha and the Omega, and He Himself is the Creator. Therefore "only begotten" (Greek monogenes) means uniquely begotten, and is not related to His human birth but Christ's eternal Sonship. That is also why Paul speaks of the virgin birth as "made of a woman" (Gal 4:4) -- a supernatural birth.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I know that this verse is in the Gospel of Jonh. 3:16 

But, 

a) Who first say that?

b) And who wrote that? 

These are the words of Jesus Christ Himself, written by the apostle John under the Divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit. (John did not record everything that Jesus did and said, but only what he was required to).

[Your closest friendnt]

49 minutes ago, Ezra said:

These are the words of Jesus Christ Himself, written by the apostle John under the Divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit. (John did not record everything that Jesus did and said, but only what he was required to).

I understand that Jonh had a very deep understanding of the Gospel and that he had a very special blessing from Jesus, and  that this scripture is divine revelation to him from Jesus Christ, and the concepts  that are the reason for Jonh to write this scripture.

I also understand, that he was with Jesus during his earthly ministry, and  was still with him after his resuraction before he was taken up in the heavens, and even after that Jesus was still guiding him, to wright the most inspiring book of the Gospels. 

But from the wording of the scripture we understand that is not Jesus who have spoken these specific  words, even thought he had inspired Jonh to wright them. And even thought he had said many similar things, with the same meaning and concepts. But those are the words of Jonh.

If it was the words spoken by Jesus, he would have said;

God so love the word that he (gave) sent me, his only begotten son, that who ever believes in me will not perish but have everlasting life. 

The languish is of another person talking about Jesus,

And not Jesus talking about himself.  

[Ezra]

47 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

But from the wording of the scripture we understand that is not Jesus who have spoken these specific  words, even thought he had inspired Jonh to wright them. And even thought he had said many similar things, with the same meaning and concepts. But those are the words of Jonh.

You believe that Jesus cannot speak about Himself in the third person, but we see many examples of this in Scripture (e.g. Rev 2:18): "these things saith the Son of God" Those are actually the words of Christ. Thus John 3:10-21 is a recording of the words of Christ, and if you have a red letter Bible you will see this.

[Your closest friendnt]

58 minutes ago, Ezra said:

You believe that Jesus cannot speak about Himself in the third person, but we see many examples of this in Scripture (e.g. Rev 2:18): "these things saith the Son of God" Those are actually the words of Christ. Thus John 3:10-21 is a recording of the words of Christ, and if you have a red letter Bible you will see this.

This is not the same as in revelation, where jonh Says, I wright down what I am told, I don't I understand my self, but that what I am told to do.

And not the same where the writers quotes what Jesus said.

Here Jonh is consious and has coprehend the truth concepts of what he writes, the same as in the wrightings of Paul, jonh can explain and expant and answer questions, because he is very consious of what he wrights.