How can we say Tribulation has not started ?

[SINNERSAVED]

32 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

But this is what happens when people are sent into Captivity.  If old, medically unfit (believer or non believer); one is of no use. Behead them.  Otherwise expect the worse, because that is what happens during captivity.  For this is what you long for.  Great distress is what it says: Great Distress, and you will experience it.  I don't think you are capable of going through such a time, is your family prepared.  They will take your wife and children away from you.  You will only have the clothes you are wearing, nothing more.  Think about the Jews (Gods chosen people)  in Germany during WWII.  How were they treated?  And this time of Great Distress will be much, much worse.  And you want to go through this time. and to be proven worthy.  One more feather in your hat.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I believe you have a flawed opinion of others and what , others believe, you are not understanding the view for which I am coming from and so you will probably over look it anyway , for your mine is set that you will not come into any trials or tribulation, well Marv,

good luck with that , for if you say it wont ,happen are you wishing it not to happen, for if it be Gods will that any of us have to go through a time of hardship and or aTRIBULATION BEFORE HE COMES BACK ,

 are you ready to take that chance, I know what war and captivity can do and does to people this is a given , but I think out of real fear you hope to not see it , and it is not the hope of any to fall into a time like that , but let us reason together and come to the facts of the issues shall we ?

we all are waiting on the lord, ?we all want to escape the evil and wickedness of the world for its not getting any better , and we all can read the bible ? in plain and simple scripture , Jesus says that you will have trials and tribulation ,but be of good cheer I have overcome the world , pray for those that hurt you and come after you , and you will still be hated and persecuted for my name sake , but endure until the end and then you shall be saved,

we are in the world , and we are under the rule of the devil, this is still his world until the redemption of Christ Jesus comes back, Jesus would not say watch and be alert , and don't be deceived and people will hate and kill you if He was now in control of the world and made everything new ? no Jesus is saying you need to deal with the devil and what you believe is where your heart is  and you must go through and overcome by the blood even if it be to the death , so right there the pre trib rapture may and could possibly not happen,

so would you be ready if you had to wait a little longer, ? for God has His appointed time to return and not before, and what we have to do to survive will depend on if we are following and being faithful and believe until the end , keeping the oil in the lamps, you get it ?

you cannot say ,or dictate that you are out of here and because you said so, you are not God and you are here to face what we all will need to face, the patience of the saints,  and many will fall away for they believed for a time and said to them selves there is no God, and perished,

are you not understanding that the costs !! to follow Jesus ,is serious , and it could mean to give up your life, ? for those who are not inspirit , but of the flesh will not make it, for we must walk in the spirit and we will not fulfill the flesh, and our time here is to be tested to our account to see if we are worthy or not to enter into the kingdom, we are being test everyday , from the first time we breathed air,

so we are able through Jesus to be saved , but this salvation is about the soul the second death , for if you refuse to believe what I am saying and that God ,would never put us through the testing or tribulation then you have not read JOB, or read the conversation of satan and God , for satan will be allowed to over come the saints, this is true and this is our God, but why would that be, because He is holy and just and we are sinful and rejecting, so we have to face the truth , and not think we can wish what we want and not be part of His will and His cleansing ? we are to pray to escape the things to come and to have mercy on us, for grace has been given and it was at a high price, so , do not think you are better then your master,  blessings my brother this is the real life truth .

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

Once the Church is raptured, God send's two prophets to preach to the world (Rev 11:3-12), and He also sends a holy angel with "the everlasting Gospel" (Rev 14:6,7). Therefore there will be some who will believe even after the Church is in Heaven. They will refuse to take the Mark of the Beast (Rev 12:11; 14:12; 20:4).  These are the Tribulation saints who become martyrs and are then resurrected.  If the whole Church would go through the Tribulation, then the whole Church would be beheaded. But that is not what Scripture reveals.

Pure conjecture that runs exactly contrary to scripture. 

• For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.  2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

You say that the great multitude beyond number, from every tribe, nation, people and tongue (Rev 7:9), somehow shake off the deluding influence sent by God and come to faith?  Sorry Ezra, there is no global revival.  There is an apostasy and all the deception of wickedness (2 Thess 2).  Those who endure to the end will be saved.

[Montana Marv]

I hear Mecca is nice this time of the year.  If you want a trial run or test before the Big One, show your faith there.  The Soul is all that matters.  I stand by John 14:1-4.  We know the way to the place where Christ now is.  His Fathers House.  And Jesus's own words: I will come back and take you to be with me, that you may be where I am.  The Fathers House.  A Post-Tribber will never make it to the Fathers House.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

And you want to go through this time. and to be proven worthy. 

Why do you keep insisting that post-tribbers want to go through the great tribulation?  You really don't get it, do you?  It's not a matter of what we want.

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2 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Why do you keep insisting that post-tribbers want to go through the great tribulation?  You really don't get it, do you?  It's not a matter of what we want.

He will not get it because he is refusing to hear the word of God , and by there own choice is how each will be judged, so  I agree with you last daze that some are here are , not to build , but to tear down, to stand at the doors and keep others out, and I am saying the same as people think theres going to be, a big revival, ??? it is opposite , it will be the apostacy , and this puts us closer to the return of Christ and for prophecy to unfold, so we need to just pray for us and everyone, for it is in Gods hands, and I already see that the great  delusion of God has been cast , and judgment is set, let them that are righteous stay righteous , and those that are unjust stay unjust,

the sheep hear Gods voice, and we are to praise him ,and give him honor and glory for all He has done , amen....

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18 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

I hear Mecca is nice this time of the year.  If you want a trial run or test before the Big One, show your faith there.  The Soul is all that matters.  I stand by John 14:1-4.  We know the way to the place where Christ now is.  His Fathers House.  And Jesus's own words: I will come back and take you to be with me, that you may be where I am.  The Fathers House.  A Post-Tribber will never make it to the Fathers House.

In Christ

Montana Marv

I am sorry you feel this way , and have a hate for those that don't believe in your view, is this correct ?

for unkind and rude ideas that you state is not brotherly at all, and I think you might want to read what scripture says about the fruits of evil, that do not enter the kingdom, there is the fruits of the spirit , and there is the what God does not like , and I will pray for you

[Montana Marv]

1 minute ago, Last Daze said:

Why do you keep insisting that post-tribbers want to go through the great tribulation?  You really don't get it, do you?  It's not a matter of what we want.

But it is; you keep saying that the Rapture is at Post Trib.  If it is, then you will (as Post-Tribbers) go though this Great Tribulation which you have prepared for.  And you say; Pre-Tribber will fault/lose their faith because we have not prepared for it.  Now are you backing down from your position.  For you know what comes and how bad it will be.  You have given me tons of Scripture verifying your position and how you are delivered from (through) this time of Great Distress.  If it is not a matter of what you want, What is it?  God's Will, is God's Will.

Take me now Jesus and drop kick me over the goalposts of Life.  Old, Old saying.

 In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

9 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

But it is; you keep saying that the Rapture is at Post Trib.  If it is, then you will (as Post-Tribbers) go though this Great Tribulation which you have prepared for.  And you say; Pre-Tribber will fault/lose their faith because we have not prepared for it.  Now are you backing down from your position.  For you know what comes and how bad it will be.  You have given me tons of Scripture verifying your position and how you are delivered from (through) this time of Great Distress.  If it is not a matter of what you want, What is it?  God's Will, is God's Will.

Take me now Jesus and drop kick me over the goalposts of Life.  Old, Old saying.

 In Christ

Montana Marv

I've never said that pretribbers will "fault/lose their faith".  Why do you misrepresent what I've actually said?  Do you always just make stuff up?

You really, really need to get a grip on the difference between understanding something to be true, and wanting it to be true.

[Montana Marv]

15 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

I've never said that pretribbers will "fault/lose their faith".  Why do you misrepresent what I've actually said?  Do you always just make stuff up?

You really, really need to get a grip on the difference between understanding something to be true, and wanting it to be true.

No, but we get this a lot.  2 The 2:11 - For this reason Gods sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie.  Or that we will believe this lie when the A/C shows himself, and that we will become delusion-ed because the Rapture did take place as we had planed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Thallasa said:

The bible does not speak of a Rapture 

ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4:17)

Caught up together = ἁρπαγησόμεθα = harpagesometha = Latin Rapiemur = Englsh Rapture.

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