The True Name of God and Jesus ,in respect to its origin?

[SINNERSAVED]

Hello everyone, I brought this up from a topic about the names of God , and I wanted to learn of this for all my life as a gentile,

 its been God and Jesus , and now I have come to study the Hebrew way and they use Jesus as yahshua for Jesus ,

and Yahweh for God, or Elohim, or there is a writing that I believe cannot be pronounce and that is  YHWH maybe short for Yahweh ?

 I have see from others that the spelling is Yashua , , and not Yahshua, and then there is Yeshua I believe,

and then you have adoni ? so lets get some help on this

my goal here is to be in the most original and respectful way of calling on God in the correct way ,

so please feel free to give me a lesson, I like the Hebrew way, and we all know the English,

so should we take the greek way , the Hebrew, or stay with English ?

now we also know that God and Jesus have a lot of other names so we can list that out also

thank you in advance for your responses, and help

[WilliamL]

I'll start. According to the vowel pointing of the Masoretic Hebrew text, YHWH is pronounced Ye-vaw' or Ye-waw'. Usually. In some few texts, an extra vowel point is added, making Ye-ho-vaw'/waw'; from which Jehovah is derived. (English translators early on changed the Y into a J. That is how the Y in Yeshua changed to the J in Jesus.)

Now the caveat: the Hebrew texts from which the Masorets worked had no vowel points: the Masorets added them according to their understanding of tradition. But the Name was never allowed to be pronounced aloud when the Scriptures were read, and modern Jews say that the original pronunciation has been lost.

According to a Bible reference book I read some decades ago, a Greek spelling of the divine Name was all vowels: IAOUE. Since Hebrew only has consonants in it's alphabet, the aspirants Y-H-W are the closest to vowels possible in Hebrew script. A serious clue, in my mind.

As far as the given name of Jesus: who really knows how it was exactly spelled or pronounced? It was certainly Hebrew to begin with, but there are no NT-era Hebrew scriptures that use his name.

[completedbeliever1]

Hello.

As it is, the name is YAHVAH.  This is derived from Haya, and Hava.  Yod Heh Vav Heh = YAHVAH.
The name Jehovah was brought about by early scribes who added the vowels from Adonai to YHVH.  YaHoVah.  
The "y" was changed to "J" and the first "a" was changed to "e" with the German translation.

[SINNERSAVED]

so if we wanted to call God  Yahweh is good ? and for Jesus is it Yashua , or yahshua , or Yeshua  which would be the correct in Hebrew, ?

[Ezra]

Since God and Jesus have many names and titles in Scripture, we should remember that God does not limit Himself in any way. For the Hebrews Christ is Yeshua (or Yahshua), for the Greeks he is Iesous, for the English speakers He is Jesus. Every language has the word Jesus, and Jesus means God our salvation, since God is salvation (Yah = God and shua = salvation). God said to Moses "I AM" and Jesus also said to the Jews "I AM".  The problem arises when people deny that Jesus is God.

[thereselittleflower]

 

i thought this got discussed in depth in another thread -   Old Covenant vs. New Covenant

 

[WilliamL]

On 1/9/2016 at 8:15 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

so if we wanted to call God  Yahweh is good ? and for Jesus is it Yashua , or yahshua , or Yeshua  which would be the correct in Hebrew, ?

All answered in my post above (#2 in this string), all that is known from the Hebrew perspective. Where you want to go from there is up to you.

There are lots of Anglicized justifications that people come up with, such as Yahvah and Yahweh (both often accented on the first syllable, whereas the Hebrew accents the last syllable), you can choose one of them also.

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

There are lots of Anglicized justifications that people come up with, such as Yahvah and Yahweh (both often accented on the first syllable, whereas the Hebrew accents the last syllable), you can choose one of them also.

Are you suggesting that English translations should simply show YHWH or YHVH? The KJV was perfectly in order (and consistent with the Jewish readings) by simply replacing YHWH with small capitals LORD.  And LORD God has already passed into general usage for over 400 years.  Some people try to show how much they despise the English translations by coming up with Yahweh or Yeshua. In English the proper usage is LORD and Jesus. Bringing in other usages simply contributes to divisions among Christians, rather than the unity of the faith.

[tigger two]

41 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Are you suggesting that English translations should simply show YHWH or YHVH? The KJV was perfectly in order (and consistent with the Jewish readings) by simply replacing YHWH with small capitals LORD.  And LORD God has already passed into general usage for over 400 years.  Some people try to show how much they despise the English translations by coming up with Yahweh or Yeshua. In English the proper usage is LORD and Jesus. Bringing in other usages simply contributes to divisions among Christians, rather than the unity of the faith.

The following is for those who believe the King James Version is the infallible, perfect word of God:

Here is how Ps. 83:16-18 reads in the KJV:

“16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD [YHWH].
“17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
“18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH [YHWH], art the most high over all the earth.” (Boldfacing added)

Never mind that YHWH is purposely mistranslated as ‘LORD’ thousands of times in line with the Jewish superstition that His name is never to be spoken (in spite of the fact that it is spoken by hundreds of prophets and men of God in prayer and conversation throughout OT Scripture)! We see here that YHWH in Ps. 83:18 translates that same name as JEHOVAH and tells us that it is God’s name alone!

If the KJV is your infallible guide, we have the true pronunciation of God’s only [personal] name: JEHOVAH.

[Willa]

Jesus told us to pray: Our Father Who is in heaven.  If that is good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me.  But He also addressed Him as Papa  (abba), which is how the Holy Spirit in us addresses Him as well.  Anyhow it is an informal name, so I am more inclined to call Him my Daddy or Lord.  It is a matter of relationship.  But a great study is His Name thoughout scripture since it also reveals His nature.