Demark: Refugees bring back diptheria

[junobet]

 

16 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

And yet you trust terrorists to return kindness for kindness, which has never been true.  I worship the God of the Bible.  Who do you worship?  I can't tell from your posts.

First of all let me make clear that I refuse to follow the slanderous equasion Muslim refugee=terrorist. My world-view is too differiantiated for that.

I worship the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And I don't know which Bible you are using, but my Bible tells me that my kindness should not be affected by the question of whether it will be returned or not:

^"8 Finally, all of you must live in harmony, be sympathetic, love as brothers, and be compassionate and humble. ⁹ Do not pay others back evil for evil or insult for insult. Instead, keep blessing them, because you were called to inherit a blessing.

¹⁰ “For the person who wants to love life
    and see good days
must keep his tongue from evil
    and his lips from speaking deceit.
¹¹ He must turn away from evil and do good.
    He must seek peace and pursue it.
¹² For the Lord^[c] watches the righteous,^[d]
    and he pays attention to their prayers.^[e]
But the Lord^[f] opposes those^[g] who do wrong.”^[h]

¹³ Who will harm you if you are devoted to doing what is good? ¹⁴ But even if you should suffer for doing what is right, you are blessed. “Never be afraid of their threats, and never get upset. ¹⁵ Instead, exalt^[i] the Messiah”^[j] as Lord in your lives.^[k] Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you to explain the hope you have. ¹⁶ But do this^[l] gently and respectfully, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak evil of your good conduct in the Messiah^[m] will be ashamed of slandering you. ¹⁷ After all, if it is the will of God, it is better to suffer for doing right than for doing wrong."

(1 Peter 3:8-17)

Edited January 25, 2016 by junobet

[OakWood]

4 hours ago, junobet said:

 

 

I’m positively surprised to hear that. I know Islam regards the Bible as Holy Scripture, but in my experience very few Muslims are versed enough in it to be able to quote from it. The thing that puts them off is the part about the crucifixion. They can’t believe that Jesus, who they view as one of the most important prophets, could have died such a dishonorable death. Instead they believe that Jesus went straight to heaven.

But I gather you have your very own problems to grasp what happened on the cross and what it means for us Christians to take up our cross and follow Christ. It seems to me that it’s your ideas on how to treat Islam and its adherents that are the worldly ones here, while that old Muslim probably had at least grasped enough of the teachings of Christ to know what God’s idea is:

http://www.acommonword.com/

Muslims do deny that Jesus died on the cross. They deny that God had a son. This is the ultimate blasphemy......

The whole key to salvation is the death and resurrection. Without that there is nothing. Muslims don't deny the existence of Jesus, or claim that he was just a clever man who knew a few party tricks - they actually DENY HIS DIVINITY. Sure, they claim that he was a prophet but a lesser prophet to Mohammed, but all that is irrelevant. Jesus was more than a prophet, he was God incarnate. He was the only begotten son of God. Satan wants us to believe that he wasn't because if we don't, we have no salvation. Satan is not stupid - he doesn't claim to hate Jesus because if he did we would know that he is Satan. He is a deceiver. He claims to respect Jesus but denies who he really was. If you haven't grasped that then you are thoroughly ignorant of scripture. You are like the pharisees who claimed to know God but rejected him when they saw him in the flesh.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 8:22

That is exactly what Islam does - it denies the father and the son. Islam is PURE EVIL. Its teachings will send Muslims straight to Hell. Muslims need to hear the true gospel, they need to be rescued from Islam which is a form of Satan worship. Compassion is not about letting terrorists, vagabonds and thieves into your country.

You're not in any position to be lecturing people on morals, or on compassion my friend. Your ignorance is astonishing. You are either a deceiver yourself or you have been deceived. Never, ever accuse me of having no compassion. How dare you judge me? Your arrogance and pride betrays your real intentions.

You come in peace and hide your blasphemy under the guise of compassion. That is exactly what Satan does, he masquerades as the light but really he is the darkness!

[other one]

13 hours ago, junobet said:

 

 

I’m positively surprised to hear that. I know Islam regards the Bible as Holy Scripture, but in my experience very few Muslims are versed enough in it to be able to quote from it. The thing that puts them off is the part about the crucifixion. They can’t believe that Jesus, who they view as one of the most important prophets, could have died such a dishonorable death. Instead they believe that Jesus went straight to heaven.

But I gather you have your very own problems to grasp what happened on the cross and what it means for us Christians to take up our cross and follow Christ. It seems to me that it’s your ideas on how to treat Islam and its adherents that are the worldly ones here, while that old Muslim probably had at least grasped enough of the teachings of Christ to know what God’s idea is:

http://www.acommonword.com/

Islam regards the Bible as being perverted....     you are correct in that most Muslims have not read and many out of the USA may not have even seen one......    but I would also add that many have never read the Koran either and just rely on what their clerics teach them.

I might add that the old dude I was speaking to said it was sad that one of his great grand kids would off my head some day if I didn't straiten up and submit....    just sort of matter of fact like there was no other way....     LoL I touched the .40 cal under my shirt tail and told him to send more than one....   and we had a laugh.   He hasn't been back to the coffee shop since.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

15 hours ago, junobet said:

 

First of all let me make clear that I refuse to follow the slanderous equasion Muslim refugee=terrorist. My world-view is too differiantiated for that.

I worship the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And I don't know which Bible you are using, but my Bible tells me that my kindness should not be affected by the question of whether it will be returned or not:

^"8 Finally, all of you must live in harmony, be sympathetic, love as brothers, and be compassionate and humble. ⁹ Do not pay others back evil for evil or insult for insult. Instead, keep blessing them, because you were called to inherit a blessing.

¹⁰ “For the person who wants to love life
    and see good days
must keep his tongue from evil
    and his lips from speaking deceit.
¹¹ He must turn away from evil and do good.
    He must seek peace and pursue it.
¹² For the Lord^[c] watches the righteous,^[d]
    and he pays attention to their prayers.^[e]
But the Lord^[f] opposes those^[g] who do wrong.”^[h]

¹³ Who will harm you if you are devoted to doing what is good? ¹⁴ But even if you should suffer for doing what is right, you are blessed. “Never be afraid of their threats, and never get upset. ¹⁵ Instead, exalt^[i] the Messiah”^[j] as Lord in your lives.^[k] Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you to explain the hope you have. ¹⁶ But do this^[l] gently and respectfully, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak evil of your good conduct in the Messiah^[m] will be ashamed of slandering you. ¹⁷ After all, if it is the will of God, it is better to suffer for doing right than for doing wrong."

(1 Peter 3:8-17)

Peter is writing to Christians and how they interact with other Christians.  You are misusing this scripture.

[junobet]

On 26.1.2016 at 3:22 AM, Davida said:

Oh lovely , your link is promoting that  all religions are equal -it is Interfaith , Ecumenical ,  Chrislam  .

No.  True Christians don't deny CHRIST.  Christianity isn't a religion, it is the only way to Heaven. All the rest are Pagan or Satanic counterfeits.

You also know little about Islam , the Muslim Jesus isn't the Biblical Jesus. They also say allah has no son. In their endtime prophecies their Jesus returns as a  Muslim and comes back and breaks all the crosses and KILLS all the Christians and Jews ( their version says he comes back saying he is actually a muslim prophet and kills all unbelievers==guess who? )  

As for ecumenical dialogue:

 

I take it you prefer to remain in your own filter bubble and particular in-group, rather than reaching out to other fellow Christians to find out how they see things. I find that a bit sad, because talking to each other can help us to overcome prejudices and misunderstandings and it might even be beneficial for our spiritual growth. As a Lutheran I’m quite pleased for example that persistent ecumenical dialogue finally led to the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church issuing the “Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification” in 1999. After all we are called to be one body with many members (1 Cor 12 – you may want to read chapter 13 as well ;-)) and if body parts stop communicating with each other the body will be lame.

 

As for interfaith dialogue:

 

It’s of course possible that your personal faith is too weak for you to dare engage in it, but those Christians who do engage in it, don’t deny their belief in Christ as one of the three persons of the one Trinitarian God, they give testimony of their faith in Him.

 

Love,

junobet

[simplejeff]

"Just suppose for a moment a man going to a great musical festival in Germany. He enters the great Concert Hall but he does not know a single word of the language spoken nor has the faintest germ of musical taste. To him the words are unmeaning gutturals, and the notes a jargon of confusing noises. He could understand a problem in mathematics, he could discourse with them with eloquence in English on questions of politics or philosophy, but he is out of place, he does not possess the key to their society or enjoyment.

And so let us suppose the highest intellect of earth entering the society of heaven. To him their songs and joys would all seem as incomprehensible as the conversation of a cultivated home circle would be to the little dog that sits at their feet or the canary that sings in the window. It belongs to a different race and cannot touch their world. Nor could such a man have one point of contact with these heavenly beings. It would be another world, a world unknown, a world as barren as a wilderness; and from its scenes he would be glad to hasten to find some congenial fellowship. He cannot reach its range because it is a spiritual race of beings, and he has but an intellectual nature. And, on the other hand, they would have as little in common with him as his range is infinitely below theirs.

We can imagine the porter of yonder gates asking him what he knows, and he begins to tell them about the lore of classical culture, the mythologies of Greece or the monuments of Egypt. The angel smiles with pity and answers, “Why, these splendid memories of which you speak are not worthy of comparison with the world in which we dwell. The grandest temple of Egypt would not make a pedestal for one of the stairs of heaven.” Perhaps he tells them of astronomy, the distance or magnitude of the stars. “Why,” the angel answers, “we have no need of these dim and distant calculations here. There is not one of yonder worlds we have not visited and we could tell you ten thousand times more of its mysteries than you have ever dreamed of, but the glories of these cannot be compared with the glory of Him who sits upon the throne, whom you have not eyes to see, or the sweetness of these redemption songs which you cannot even hear because you have not ears to hear. One thrill of the rapture we feel you cannot ever know because your heart has not been quickened in one heavenly chord. You do not belong here. You live in the lower realm of mind alone, but this is the Home of God and those who have received His nature, His Spirit, and are admitted as His children to dwell in His presence and share His infinite and everlasting joy."

http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/ab-simpson/wholly-sanctified/chapter-2-a-sanctified-spirit/

[junobet]

On 26.1.2016 at 3:40 AM, OakWood said:

13 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Peter is writing to Christians and how they interact with other Christians.  You are misusing this scripture.

Muslims do deny that Jesus died on the cross. They deny that God had a son. This is the ultimate blasphemy......

The whole key to salvation is the death and resurrection. Without that there is nothing. Muslims don't deny the existence of Jesus, or claim that he was just a clever man who knew a few party tricks - they actually DENY HIS DIVINITY. Sure, they claim that he was a prophet but a lesser prophet to Mohammed, but all that is irrelevant. Jesus was more than a prophet, he was God incarnate. He was the only begotten son of God. Satan wants us to believe that he wasn't because if we don't, we have no salvation. Satan is not stupid - he doesn't claim to hate Jesus because if he did we would know that he is Satan. He is a deceiver. He claims to respect Jesus but denies who he really was. If you haven't grasped that then you are thoroughly ignorant of scripture. You are like the pharisees who claimed to know God but rejected him when they saw him in the flesh.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 8:22

That is exactly what Islam does - it denies the father and the son. Islam is PURE EVIL. Its teachings will send Muslims straight to Hell. Muslims need to hear the true gospel, they need to be rescued from Islam which is a form of Satan worship. Compassion is not about letting terrorists, vagabonds and thieves into your country.

You're not in any position to be lecturing people on morals, or on compassion my friend. Your ignorance is astonishing. You are either a deceiver yourself or you have been deceived. Never, ever accuse me of having no compassion. How dare you judge me? Your arrogance and pride betrays your real intentions.

You come in peace and hide your blasphemy under the guise of compassion. That is exactly what Satan does, he masquerades as the light but really he is the darkness!

Oops, weird quote-function again. So let's do two in one.

 

@Saved.One.by.Grace:

Please read again: quite obviously 1 Peter also wants Christians to be good to non-Christians. We would hardly need to defend the hope that we have in Christ against  fellow-Christians, would we? Please also note Mt 5:43-48. It’s certainly hard to love our enemies and to bless those who persecute us, but that’s what we are called to do. If you’re not up for it – and I will admit that I myself failed many times - you’re not a good Christian.

 Love, junobet

 

@Oakwood:

Dear Oakwood,

 unfortunately I’ve been asked to self-censor, so I can’t fully answer your post. But I take it that “Nathan the Wise” isn’t among your favourite plays and that enlightenment in general is not your thing. It’s kind of ironic to see that those who proclaim to be defending Western values the loudest these days, are the first ones who are willing to throw these values (universal human rights, fair trials, freedom of speech, freedom of religion …) out of the window.  

 May the Lord have mercy on us all, love

 junobet

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, junobet said:

 

As for ecumenical dialogue:

 

I take it you prefer to remain in your own filter bubble and particular in-group, rather than reaching out to other fellow Christians to find out how they see things. I find that a bit sad, because talking to each other can help us to overcome prejudices and misunderstandings and it might even be beneficial for our spiritual growth. As a Lutheran I’m quite pleased for example that persistent ecumenical dialogue finally led to the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church issuing the “Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification” in 1999. After all we are called to be one body with many members (1 Cor 12 – you may want to read chapter 13 as well ;-)) and if body parts stop communicating with each other the body will be lame.

 

As for interfaith dialogue:

 

It’s of course possible that your personal faith is too weak for you to dare engage in it, but those Christians who do engage in it, don’t deny their belief in Christ as one of the three persons of the one Trinitarian God, they give testimony of their faith in Him.

 

Love,

junobet

 

I find Scripture gives us an example of interfaith dialogue when Paul spoke to the Athenians, reaching out to them through understanding of their beliefs, not through an interpretation and preaching scripture.    He appealed to their religion to tell them about Christ, to the ALTAR OF THE UNKNOWN GOD, nothing else.

If scripture gives us this example of how to reach others who are not familiar with the Gospel using interfaith dialogue, how much more so should we be reaching out to each other through ecumenical dialogue?

 

 

[junobet]

4 minutes ago, Davida said:

Ecumenical Movement, Interfaith Movement, and Universalism are all the same - it is a Deception in the Church it presents a False Heretical Doctrine and is a False Movement that has nothing to do with True Christianity. Those that preach it or follow it are in reality deniers of  Faith in Christ and cannot call themselves followers real Lord Jesus Christ and not submitted to Him as their Lord. How can they be? when they honour all religions as paths to GOD?

The Living GOD revealed HIMSELF only in the Bible. Not in any other worldly religion. True Christians know there is only one Holy Almighty GOD, the FATHER of Jesus Christ who is the ONLY begotten Son of God who died to pay for the sins of all who would know HIM as their ONLY Saviour and Lord and repent of their sins & trust in Jesus and only Jesus for their eternal Salvation.

The GOD of all creation & His Son Jesus do not accept other religions, other spiritual books or other spiritual paths. He said there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son. John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." 
Ecumenism teaches the opposite of what the Almighty God of the Bible says throughout His Holy Scripture. To follow Universalism is actuality being in Rebellion and is at its heart a HATRED for GOD and all that HE SPOKE and STANDS For which is represented in the Bible and in the person of Jesus Christ.  You are actually blaspheming JESUS name when you mention Him as unifying with those that preach a different GOSPEL. You are in fact spreading lies and misrepresenting the Lord Jesus when you use the words He spoke out of context to preach and defend a False Doctrine. 

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

The Heretical Movement of Ecumenism or the Interfaith Movement or the Universal Church is the wide gate. Don't be lead astray and don't lead others away from Biblical truth to fables it is "wide gate " and away from the narrow gate that Jesus spoke.  It is important to not promote  unbiblical worldly beliefs - in place of Biblical Truth.
Apostle Paul warned of its seriousness in Galations
Galations 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!"

Junobet I don't care for superficial  "love" either ,so thanks anyway.

It isn't "my" way Juno it is God's way that I accept and submit to.

So your church would never talk to any other church? Interesting. May I ask the name of your church?

[simplejeff]

AMEN Davida.

the churches today, ecumenical ones, are just like Athens where Paul preached.

Like the Athens citizens, citizens who are ecumenical worship different god(s). .

Like the Athens citizens , ecumenicists can still, potentially, be saved, the same exact way 

as everyone else on earth, Jew or gentile.

If they don't get saved, they're not saved.