Jesus Magnified the law , and the Prophets, and added Grace

[SINNERSAVED]

the Torah is the law of God, and it was given to moses , and written by the finger of God,

 moses gives the instruction and commandments of God to the people for God was with the people , and held there hand in the time of old,

Jesus comes in and walks with man , and teaches us about the laws , and gives us a more dynamic and Magnified view of what the law originally was, ?

so as it was said, in the commandment , thy shalt not commit adultery , but Jesus went a step further and said, if you look at a women with your eyes and thoughts then, you are guilty of the same,

 Jesus said I did not come to abolish the laws and the prophets , but I came to fulfil , and that not one jot or mark shall be changed ,until heaven and earth passes away , and that the word of God will be forever, even after heaven and earth passes away ,

but what I want to place here for you ,is that Jesus came to show us, that whats in our minds, can be the same as actions, and so where your heart and mind is , also will it be what you are , as far , as being  of God or of the world ,

 our sinful nature will give us thoughts unable to control and we are in need to bring it all to Jesus  for the law is more intense then ever before,

 so as the law of moses from God showed us as a school master we cannot go with out breaking this , and needing forgiveness, we see that we cannot escape Gods commandments and laws from our minds, and so the power of the mind and how we condition it , is a key to understanding God,

in another topic I said true believers should not be watching television and secular shows, and hearing secular music, for it all gets through to the eyes and the ears and then we need to deal with it, can we serve God , honestly in truth and in spirit  ?, of our minds heart and soul , if we are following the world and its doctrines and teachings, that are against the will of God , for to love the world is to be a enemy of God,

 and we being true and real believers the saints the called out ones, it takes discipline and action on our part to be in obedience, and to abide inchrist , whom we are now crucified with ? we are the temple and the holy spirit dwells with in us, but we are in the world but cannot come to be subjected to the rule of the world , for no one can also serve two masters ,

 so what I am getting at , is today the so called Christian believers that call themselves this, are not following the commandments or following anything that the bible tells us to do , we are about our selves and sinning willingly and saying its okay , and not making any efforts to follow , and do what He said

for we are concern what others will say and what they think of us , over what God has ruled for us as instruction, so we are believing rejecters ,

which makes us luke warm if we are not following , its about the mind , and what we put into it , and where our heart is , where is your heart and what are you letting get into your minds, ?

 the world has got your minds in electronic and entertainment  and the worries of the world , and its not focused on Jesus !

[gdemoss]

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

[thereselittleflower]

 

The law would not pass away until fulfilled.

Jesus fulfilled the law.   

 

 

 

 

[simplejeff]

Jesus said it would not pass away until like the universe was gone.... not one iota would pass away...

The universe is still here.

[thereselittleflower]

4 hours ago, simplejeff said:

Jesus said it would not pass away until like the universe was gone.... not one iota would pass away...

The universe is still here.

He said it would be easier for the universe to pass away than for the law to pass away UNTIL it had been fulfilled.

[SINNERSAVED]

8 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

The law would not pass away until fulfilled.

Jesus fulfilled the law.   

 

 

 

 

no that is absolutely incorrect, Jesus said He did not come to abolish or take away the law, but to fulfill, your misleading in your own opinion, and its not biblical. if He did not take it away , or abolish it, and if He did He would have told  us this is what I am going to do ,  so listen to what the Spirit says to the church if Jesus did not come to abolish, then it is not taken away , and so it is not gone with , read it but don't read in to it, Jesus Gave grace where the old law of Sin and Death only could not accomplish, all the rest remains, this is truth ,

 and this ties into the dispensationalism, that we are being saved differently then the jews ? and that He is treating jews different from the church of today , it is not , we have been deceived to believe a lie to separate both , you cannot separate Gods people , jew or alien , period.

[Qnts2]

11 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

the Torah is the law of God, and it was given to moses , and written by the finger of God,

 moses gives the instruction and commandments of God to the people for God was with the people , and held there hand in the time of old,

Jesus comes in and walks with man , and teaches us about the laws , and gives us a more dynamic and Magnified view of what the law originally was, ?

so as it was said, in the commandment , thy shalt not commit adultery , but Jesus went a step further and said, if you look at a women with your eyes and thoughts then, you are guilty of the same,

 Jesus said I did not come to abolish the laws and the prophets , but I came to fulfil , and that not one jot or mark shall be changed ,until heaven and earth passes away , and that the word of God will be forever, even after heaven and earth passes away ,

but what I want to place here for you ,is that Jesus came to show us, that whats in our minds, can be the same as actions, and so where your heart and mind is , also will it be what you are , as far , as being  of God or of the world ,

 our sinful nature will give us thoughts unable to control and we are in need to bring it all to Jesus  for the law is more intense then ever before,

 so as the law of moses from God showed us as a school master we cannot go with out breaking this , and needing forgiveness, we see that we cannot escape Gods commandments and laws from our minds, and so the power of the mind and how we condition it , is a key to understanding God,

in another topic I said true believers should not be watching television and secular shows, and hearing secular music, for it all gets through to the eyes and the ears and then we need to deal with it, can we serve God , honestly in truth and in spirit  ?, of our minds heart and soul , if we are following the world and its doctrines and teachings, that are against the will of God , for to love the world is to be a enemy of God,

 and we being true and real believers the saints the called out ones, it takes discipline and action on our part to be in obedience, and to abide inchrist , whom we are now crucified with ? we are the temple and the holy spirit dwells with in us, but we are in the world but cannot come to be subjected to the rule of the world , for no one can also serve two masters ,

 so what I am getting at , is today the so called Christian believers that call themselves this, are not following the commandments or following anything that the bible tells us to do , we are about our selves and sinning willingly and saying its okay , and not making any efforts to follow , and do what He said

for we are concern what others will say and what they think of us , over what God has ruled for us as instruction, so we are believing rejecters ,

which makes us luke warm if we are not following , its about the mind , and what we put into it , and where our heart is , where is your heart and what are you letting get into your minds, ?

 the world has got your minds in electronic and entertainment  and the worries of the world , and its not focused on Jesus !

God gave Moses the instructions/commandment of God to the people of God which was Israel. The laws are specifically spoken to the sons of Israel. 

When Jesus came, He came first to Israel. Because Jesus was born Jewish (which fulfills some of the Messianic Prophesy in the OT/Tenakh), Jesus was born obligated to the Mosaic law. If Jesus had violated the Mosaic law, He would have sinned.

In the sermon called the sermon on the mount, Jesus is speaking to children of Israel about the law of Moses. He is showing that the approach to keeping the law has to be from the heart. (In the OT, the children of Israel were criticized by God for doing the law, but their hearts not being in it).

Everything that the children of Israel did, and the faults of the children of Israel, are faults common to all people so there are lessons which can be learned. The bigger mistake is to point at the faults of the children of Israel, without realizing everyone, including Christians, stumble in the same way. 

Now, do Christians sin. YES. Any truly born again Christian has the Holy Spirit, and is a new creation. The new creation has a desire to serve God. Sometimes, out of our previous thoughts which have not been erased, we stumble. But, the biggest difference between a person who is born again and a person who does not have a new nature, is the person with a new nature will be changed while a person with the sin/old man/old nature will continue to live in their sins.

Now as far as entertainment, I will speak for myself. Since I have worked with some missions groups, one missions group wants the people who work for them (I don't work for them but with them), to be familiar with pop culture. That means music, books and movies, as well as some popular games. All of this is to know what people are watching and doing, and using pop culture to explain Jesus. It is very similar to what Paul did with the Temple of the un-named God.  

added: about the title, some think there was no mercy or grace in the law. Both exist in the Mosaic law, but the Mosaic law does not save. Jesus did not add grace to the law, He brought a New Covenant in which entry is based entirely on God's mercy and grace.

[Pamelasv]

11 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

11 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

the Torah is the law of God, and it was given to moses , and written by the finger of God,

 moses gives the instruction and commandments of God to the people for God was with the people , and held there hand in the time of old,

Jesus comes in and walks with man , and teaches us about the laws , and gives us a more dynamic and Magnified view of what the law originally was, ?

so as it was said, in the commandment , thy shalt not commit adultery , but Jesus went a step further and said, if you look at a women with your eyes and thoughts then, you are guilty of the same,

 Jesus said I did not come to abolish the laws and the prophets , but I came to fulfil , and that not one jot or mark shall be changed ,until heaven and earth passes away , and that the word of God will be forever, even after heaven and earth passes away ,

but what I want to place here for you ,is that Jesus came to show us, that whats in our minds, can be the same as actions, and so where your heart and mind is , also will it be what you are , as far , as being  of God or of the world ,

 our sinful nature will give us thoughts unable to control and we are in need to bring it all to Jesus  for the law is more intense then ever before,

 so as the law of moses from God showed us as a school master we cannot go with out breaking this , and needing forgiveness, we see that we cannot escape Gods commandments and laws from our minds, and so the power of the mind and how we condition it , is a key to understanding God,

in another topic I said true believers should not be watching television and secular shows, and hearing secular music, for it all gets through to the eyes and the ears and then we need to deal with it, can we serve God , honestly in truth and in spirit  ?, of our minds heart and soul , if we are following the world and its doctrines and teachings, that are against the will of God , for to love the world is to be a enemy of God,

 and we being true and real believers the saints the called out ones, it takes discipline and action on our part to be in obedience, and to abide inchrist , whom we are now crucified with ? we are the temple and the holy spirit dwells with in us, but we are in the world but cannot come to be subjected to the rule of the world , for no one can also serve two masters ,

 so what I am getting at , is today the so called Christian believers that call themselves this, are not following the commandments or following anything that the bible tells us to do , we are about our selves and sinning willingly and saying its okay , and not making any efforts to follow , and do what He said

for we are concern what others will say and what they think of us , over what God has ruled for us as instruction, so we are believing rejecters ,

which makes us luke warm if we are not following , its about the mind , and what we put into it , and where our heart is , where is your heart and what are you letting get into your minds, ?

 the world has got your minds in electronic and entertainment  and the worries of the world , and its not focused on Jesus !

Very true. Being in active serious churches to have fellowship with like minded believers is a good way to help because we end up encouraged and accountable. So much easier trying to live a 'holy' life when your around others that are trying to live that way too. Then you can openly talk about your faith and they get it.  

 

[SINNERSAVED]

4 hours ago, Qnts2 said:

God gave Moses the instructions/commandment of God to the people of God which was Israel. The laws are specifically spoken to the sons of Israel. 

When Jesus came, He came first to Israel. Because Jesus was born Jewish (which fulfills some of the Messianic Prophesy in the OT/Tenakh), Jesus was born obligated to the Mosaic law. If Jesus had violated the Mosaic law, He would have sinned.

In the sermon called the sermon on the mount, Jesus is speaking to children of Israel about the law of Moses. He is showing that the approach to keeping the law has to be from the heart. (In the OT, the children of Israel were criticized by God for doing the law, but their hearts not being in it).

Everything that the children of Israel did, and the faults of the children of Israel, are faults common to all people so there are lessons which can be learned. The bigger mistake is to point at the faults of the children of Israel, without realizing everyone, including Christians, stumble in the same way. 

Now, do Christians sin. YES. Any truly born again Christian has the Holy Spirit, and is a new creation. The new creation has a desire to serve God. Sometimes, out of our previous thoughts which have not been erased, we stumble. But, the biggest difference between a person who is born again and a person who does not have a new nature, is the person with a new nature will be changed while a person with the sin/old man/old nature will continue to live in their sins.

Now as far as entertainment, I will speak for myself. Since I have worked with some missions groups, one missions group wants the people who work for them (I don't work for them but with them), to be familiar with pop culture. That means music, books and movies, as well as some popular games. All of this is to know what people are watching and doing, and using pop culture to explain Jesus. It is very similar to what Paul did with the Temple of the un-named God.  

added: about the title, some think there was no mercy or grace in the law. Both exist in the Mosaic law, but the Mosaic law does not save. Jesus did not add grace to the law, He brought a New Covenant in which entry is based entirely on God's mercy and grace.

well stated and I can respect that, you have done your home work , and I want to tell you that I really appreciate your comments and faith in this matter , thank you  blessings to you. I do agree with you also

[FresnoJoe]

25 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

• . You do not belong here....
  You live in the lower realm of mind alone....

I Beg Your Pardon

to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. Titus 3:2 (English Standard Version)

I Grant Your Grace

And a servant of the Lord must not be quarrelsome, but he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forbearing. 2 Timothy 2:24 (Berean Study Bible)

I Pray The Lord Will Show His Face

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:7-8

Love, You Brother Joe