Is Hell eternal?

[Kan]

14 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Because a great number of people believe in heaven and not in hell should indicate to us the persuasive
nature or desire of the lie ... it is scary! That is why we see this verse proclaimed-
Jas 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.  KJV

However the onus does not fall on us to prove eternal
punishment for it is clearly stated in the Word-
Mt 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.  KJV

The hermeneutic is clear and it is simple:
“shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2)

“eternal fire” Matthew 25:41 - they are saying that which is in the fire burns up why then does the fire last forever?

 “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12) - if the fire is it not quenched when that within it is burned up why does it continue to burn?

 “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49) - so much so it is repeated in Scripture...

 “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9) - destruction that is never ending or how could it be everlasting destruction?

“tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10) - it is what it is "simple" ...
Love, Steven
 

That's right, everything in the destruction of sin and sinners is enduring, except for the product being consumed, the unrepentant will be punished according to their deeds - "the wicked," says the Lord, "will burn like chaff in the oven," "consumed root and branch," "ashes under the soles of our feet," "never more to be found," "in the very day that they die, their thoughts perish."

"The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing."

The fire that consumes them is not candle power, it is not even atomic, it is "the breath of His mouth" "the Lord is a shield unto the righteous, but a consuming fire against all that do wickedly." "Our God is a consuming fire."

How long is God a consuming fire to wickedness? Forever, because He lives forever, and so long as that is the case, sin and sinners will never rise or live again.

 

[enoob57]

fanciful thought not established by Scripture

Mk 9:43-44

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
KJV

[Kan]

4 hours ago, enoob57 said:

fanciful thought not established by Scripture

Mk 9:43-44

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
KJV

That's right, whatever eats them up, worms or flames, it does not die in the process of doing so.

Yet there is no text that says the wicked die not. Please quote just one, and I'll believe you. You won't be able to find one, simply because it's not in there. You have a problem trying to suggest otherwise, without Biblical support.

The language of worms is not talking about everlasting worms in everlasting flames, but it is saying that in principle, death is certain for the wicked, and an end that cannot be survived. The emphasis is on the manner of destruction, that it is a permanent and thorough work.

Is it suggesting sci- fi worms that are able to eat endlessly in molten elements? 

When God says that the wicked will be turned to ash, He does not mean that they will live forever.

Not only is the theory about eternal torture misguided and immature, but against the Bible, and basic comprehension of the English language. What is more, the doctrine of eternal torture is against the Lord's character, it is an open insult, and no surprise, it comes from Satanic sources, namely Jesuit doctrines (the sworn enemies of Christ) who teach the ancient Babylonian religion, the traditions of Satan worship.

God bless your search.

 

[gdemoss]

A man became a living soul upon the entering in of the breath of life.  He was condemned to die which means to no longer be a living soul. Jesus said that it was the soul that needed saving and showed us that the resurrection of the dead was the key and that he would ressurect us at the last day.  The second death is for all those judged unworthy of partaking in life as an eternal living soul in the kingdom of heaven ruled by God the Father that Jesus delivers unto him to rule forever.  The lake of fire is a place that God created to put in all who would not repent and follow him.  The ressurection of the dead who gain entrance into the kingdom of heaven here on earth are they that love God where love is expressed in obedience.

Truely hell is separation from God.  A place of tornent through desire.  One can be in hell here on earth as well as in Christ.  If you find yourself full of desire and never datisfied your not in Christ for Paul spoke about being in Christ and learning to be content in any circumstance or condotion.  Abased or abounding.  Full of love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, self control, goodness, gentleness and faithfulness.  

In order to understand eternal damnation we must first understand eternal life.  The eternally damned will exist but without a body or ability to affect the creation.  All they will have is their insatiable desire to be a part of something they cannot.  Eternally outside looking in.  Eaten alive and consumed by the fire of their own desires.

[Kan]

42 minutes ago, gdemoss said:

A man became a living soul upon the entering in of the breath of life.  He was condemned to die which means to no longer be a living soul. Jesus said that it was the soul that needed saving and showed us that the resurrection of the dead was the key and that he would ressurect us at the last day.  The second death is for all those judged unworthy of partaking in life as an eternal living soul in the kingdom of heaven ruled by God the Father that Jesus delivers unto him to rule forever.  The lake of fire is a place that God created to put in all who would not repent and follow him.  The ressurection of the dead who gain entrance into the kingdom of heaven here on earth are they that love God where love is expressed in obedience.

Truely hell is separation from God.  A place of tornent through desire.  One can be in hell here on earth as well as in Christ.  If you find yourself full of desire and never datisfied your not in Christ for Paul spoke about being in Christ and learning to be content in any circumstance or condotion.  Abased or abounding.  Full of love, joy, peace, patience, meekness, self control, goodness, gentleness and faithfulness.  

In order to understand eternal damnation we must first understand eternal life.  The eternally damned will exist but without a body or ability to affect the creation.  All they will have is their insatiable desire to be a part of something they cannot.  Eternally outside looking in.  Eaten alive and consumed by the fire of their own desires.

How ridiculous is that? Who is this tormenting god?

gdemoss, this is not like you to think like that.

[gdemoss]

1 minute ago, Kan said:

How ridiculous is that? Who is this tormenting god?

gdemoss, this is not like you to think like that.

God is not a tormenting God.  God is a God of Salvation freely offered unto all who will.  This place of torment was created for the Devil and his messangers to protect all of those who are of God from them so that the torment on earth can end.  Our decision is to decide where we want spend eternity.  Love, Joy, & Peace?  Lust, Torment & Fear?

The choice is ours.  The gift of life is free to all who will.  God is a God of love yet you and I both read where Jesus turns many away in Mathew 7.  They cannot enter in.

[Bible_Gazer]

John 6:48-51
⁴⁸  I am that bread of life.
⁴⁹  Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
⁵⁰  This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
⁵¹  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jesus mention that people before him died.

Jesus mention also if they eat of him they would not die, but live for ever.

Was Jesus wrong on life and death ?

 

[Bible_Gazer]

I wonder if people are making us human like the trinity doctrine, that we are three separate person also, only one part of us dies, the other part lives.  

The flesh goes to the grave hell and the soul goes to the fiery hell and the spirit return unto God.    

[Shar]

For those of you who want to do a serious study on whether the current Hell and punishment will last forever, I would encourage you to read the book, "The Fire That Consumes" by one of the foremost theologians on the topic, Dr. Edward William Fudge.  His book, foreworded by F.F. Bruce, is a exegesis in depth on Hell.  One point he carefully considers, is the Greek word used for eternal punishment.  He shows how this word "Aioion"- meaning Eon, has different meanings when used as an adjective or as a noun. How this word is used in several Bible references to show eons throughout the Bible that have already come to an end, or will come to an end.  How this word cannot always be translated to mean eternity that will last "forever and ever"; as some English translations have so poorly done.

Well, I think this thread has run its coarse and pretty much all has been said by both camps.  We have said nothing different or new that has not been hotly debated by believers during the entire church age. 

 

 

[Spock]

5 minutes ago, Shar said:

For those of you who want to do a serious study on whether the current Hell and punishment will last forever, I would encourage you to read the book, "The Fire That Consumes" by one of the foremost theologians on the topic, Dr. Edward William Fudge.  His book, foreworded by F.F. Bruce, is a exegesis in depth on Hell.  One point he carefully considers, is the Greek word used for eternal punishment.  He shows how this word "Aioion"- meaning Eon, has different meanings when used as an adjective or as a noun. How this word is used in several Bible references to show eons throughout the Bible that have already come to an end, or will come to an end.  How this word cannot always be translated to mean eternity that will last "forever and ever"; as some English translations have so poorly done.

Well, I think this thread has run its coarse and pretty much all has been said by both camps.  We have said nothing different or new that has not been hotly debated by believers during the entire church age. 

 

 

Nice wrap up Shar.  You did a great job presenting one side of this debate. Of course, I agree with you so maybe this is why I say GREAT  job.

But, we all have to search and ponder and act accordingly. I have no problem telling a lostie who has been told God demands eternal punishment if you are an unbeliever that that may not be the case, and then explain the Great White throne judgment and thereafter as I see it.  But that is me.

oh, by the way, I see you like cats but not dogs. Just when I thought I could like you........sigh!  

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