Is Hell eternal?

[Spock]

6 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

okay that be fine , my brother,

but do not think that I am, or others ,are dismissing the importance or Gods word by not agreeing that eternal is of the eternal God, and not physical eternal , when it comes to death , this is something, not what I really meant by debate ? , but to talk about,   and to see both sides, without ,being stuck on one side, for knowledge is key, and the lord said , my people perish for their lack of wisdom,

many are not willing to give up there point , or there view, but we must , examine ourselves , and follow what the spirit ,and the word of God really tells us, for I was stuck in many ideas and beliefs , but then the spirit makes it clear, and scripture interprets scripture, for you cannot go with what the majority says,

but only  what Yahweh says,

so brother, I understand , but let this not separate our love for each other over said, different view of Gods word, for my intent is to learn truth , and not to believe anything unless, it is tested , and tested over in harmony of the will and the ways of God, so let us reason together, and learn Gods word in harmony and in love, persueing the faith, and building each other up ,  in the faith we defend,  amen ...

Good point SS.  The first time I heard preaching on this subject that said torment was NOT eternal was from David Reagan of Lamb and Lion ministries. I was taken back when I heard it, but decided to investigate it myself. I started looking at the scriptures with an open mind and was willing to change my beliefs if necessary.

after all, I personally don't get any extra pleasure in knowing all losties burn forever and ever. So it's not like I need this doctrine to sleep better at nights. 

Although I am not 100% sure of my new belief, I feel it is the right one, and it also seems to go along with the character of God as I know him. I think God's mercy outweighs his justice on this one. It seems logical to have an ending point for suffering. 

I don't believe losties have eternal life....only saved souls do. 

[Spock]

7 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

8 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

No, I've been busy today so I've not read many posts.  I can open my mind, stand on my head and sing Yankee Doodle but...it is what it is and nothing we mortals do will change it.

you might poke around in some of these In fact, one of those started by ezra, was off to a good start.

Well, don't get me wrong- this issue is not a MAJOR issue for me. I do not plan on going there, be it eternal tormenting or eternal destruction.  However, it helps me understand God's character a wee bit more and it reminds me to not always believe every doctrine man puts forth.  Men not named Jesus are fallible too. 

[Spock]

12 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

That is the simple of the hermeneutic...  

This issue is very real, not simple at all.  Some believe when hell is thrown into the lake of fire, it burns up and ceases to exist. Others think it continues burning.  This is highly debatable and no one should feel totally confident that their argument is rock solid. 

i used to believe as you do, but for me to change sides, I had to ponder and reflect over a lot of scripture. This is no small feat because I am not easily swayed. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 minutes ago, Spock said:

Well, don't get me wrong- this issue is not a MAJOR issue for me. I do not plan on going there, be it eternal tormenting or eternal destruction.  However, it helps me understand God's character a wee bit more and it reminds me to not always believe every doctrine man puts forth.  Men not named Jesus are fallible too. 

Well, those are all points well taken, and I do not disagree with anything I quoted in this post. However, I do have a reservation, a picking of nits on a nuance.

Everything we know about God, comes to us from what men not named Jesus, wrote, unless you think that what we "know in our spirit" takes precedence over what our bibles say.

[Spock]

I reread most of this thread and it seems to me SHAR has provided the best evidence and is winning this debate hands down. (Law school gave me the necessary tools and practice to judge debates.) 

she has provided evidence which has not been refuted and she has taken many arguments, like Ezra, and has poked large holes in its foundation. 

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

3 minutes ago, Spock said:

I reread most of this thread and it seems to me SHAR has provided the best evidence and is winning this debate hands down.

Interesting theory!

[Spock]

5 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Well, those are all points well taken, and I do not disagree with anything I quoted in this post. However, I do have a reservation, a picking of nits on a nuance.

Everything we know about God, comes to us from what men not named Jesus, wrote, unless you think that what we "know in our spirit" takes precedence over what our bibles say.

Those fallible men, we believe, were driven by God's spirit to write what they wrote. (All scripture is God breathed...)

[Omegaman 3.0]

Just now, Spock said:

Those fallible men, we believe, were driven by God's spirit to write what they wrote. (All scripture is God breathed...)

KInd of my point, yes!

[Spock]

Shar just posted this on Ezra's thread about hell, but I think it should be put here too because it is pertinent to this thread as well. Again, very nice well thought out well researched post Shar.  

Shar said:

This thread is a repeat and most what has been discuss is on "Is Hell Eternal" thread.  No one doubts there is a Hell.  No one doubts it is damnation to the unbeliever.  No one doubts when an unbeliever dies he goes to the holding place in Hades to await the final judgment and while there is in torment.  The issue that has been brought forward is it eternal suffering or does scripture show that it is for a time?

In order for you to believe that an unbeliever will be tormented forever in Hell, you have to believe that at birth we are immortal beings.  The scripture shows that we are not.  As I stated in I Timothy only God possesses immortality.  When God created Adam and Eve they were not immortal.  They had not eaten from the tree of life.  When they sinned, God banished them from Eden, to insure they did not eat from the tree of life and gain immortality.

Believers are promised eternal life and they will receive it upon resurrection.  They will be changed and put on the incorruptible.  Jesus states in Rev. 2:7 - To him that overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.  Remember, He took Paradise with Him when He ascended.

The biggest testimony that the wages of sin is death, comes from Jesus.  When He was crucified on the cross, He took the penalty for sin.  What happened to Him?  HE DIED. 

When the dead are standing before the throne of judgment, there is no indication from Scripture that they receive IMMORTAL resurrected bodies.  The dead will be judge for their deeds and they will have to stand before Jesus and pay the penalty for their sins.   What is that penalty?  DEATH.  But not just any death.  Rev 20:14, ...then death and Hades and the unsaved were thrown into the Lake of Fire.  This is the SECOND DEATH.  In Luke 3:17, he will gather the wheat to his barn, but burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.   The chaff is burned up.  Gone. No longer.  Only the fire is unquenchable.

spocks words: I could not say this any better so I will give Shar the credit and just due here. It is very LOGICAL! 

[missmuffet]

Hell is sure a popular topic on Worthy. More so than heaven?