The beast that goes into Perdition

[MorningGlory]

2 minutes ago, Serving said:

 

I never claimed they weren't so HOW is this "my first mistake"??

Trying the old famous bait & switch tactic are we?

Well who'd have thought?? (rolling eyes)

Well, well .. THANK YOU for the above admission .. that actually HURTS your case .. very badly in fact .. and the solution to this quandary? God solved the problem by releasing His word GLOBALLY in 1611, and for the first time in history HE gave ALL mankind the COMPLETED word (BOTH Testaments) in what is known as the Holy Bible .. NOW His Word was available to ANY person to personally possess the written and COMPLETED word (BOTH Testaments) all laid out and TRANSLATED CORRECTLY by INSPIRATION of the Holy Ghost, into ONE language HE KNEW was to eventually be the UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE of the LAST DAYS .. His CHOSEN authoritive LANGUAGE to put an end to the translating GAME which breeds CONTRADICTIONS .. He CHOSE the English Language .. so all you who play these language games where ANY meaning can be interchanged AT WHIM .. well .. HE has FREED us from those types .. get over it.

SAME reason He had His word temporarily recorded in the Greek with the New Testament, temporarily because Greek was the universal language of it's TIME .. but God FORESAW that ENGLISH was the NEXT GLOBAL LANGUAGE and so HE had His written Word recorded in ENGLISH, and HE did the INSPIRING as to the CORRECT MEANINGS / INTERPRETAIONS of the translated word into HIS INTENDED LANGUAGE HE CHOSE for it to be CORRECTLY TRANSLATED into, so mankind would be FREE from the scholars who love to speak God's words for Him and demand we pay homage to their divine wisdom like good little sheep where all your translation games means ANY MAN can make ANY WORD mean ANYTHING THEY WANT IT TO by using the Hebrew or the Greek as though they were more authoritive than God's chosen language HE CHOSE to CONFIRM every words MEANINGs .. HE freed us from people like you who say, "yea, did God say" .. sound familiar? .. the garden perhaps? .. er .. no thanks, I will stick to the ENGLISH which is the AUTHORITY over the Hebrew & the Greek whether you like it or not. BTW : ONLY 80% of the Hebrew language was SAVED .. that means 20% was RE-INVENTED .. so what do you do about THAT in regards to ACCURACY? (speaking about the ancient Hebrew BOX style of writing)

Then you will never understand properly and will just sow confusion & contradictions .. just like ALL the new translations BESIDES the KJV, not ONE of them AGREE with each other, WHY? Because people like you can read a verse and say, "Oh, I don't LIKE that" .. and go to the Greek and take ONE word which Greek words can have up to SIX MEANINGS EACH and CHANGE the WHOLE MEANING of a verse to suit personal agendas .. that is, people like you can CHANGE the written word at will, and you guys think you are CORRECTING "God's sloppy mistakes" .. how proud and presumptuous.

..."and both shall fall into the ditch".

No, you have wrongly fallen for the deception that started in the garden, "Yea, did God say" .. enter all the contradictory bible translations ..  none of your lot believe God preserved His written word as promised, so you guys can apparently come along and save us from all the confusion your lot started in the first place with all your contradictory bible versions .. thanks for making God an AUTHOR of CONFUSION.

My advice, STOP meddling with the already laid out and confirmed written word and learn English properly if you want to understand what God meant in the Hebrew & the Greek.

Must be nice to be the ONE who understands proper English and translation.  Wow.

[Serving]

4 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

I have to interject here.  Why are you going on about a 'mystery'?  God didn't make Scripture a mystery at all.  Any reasonable human being can understand it by reading it.  Making the Bible some kind of whodunit is silly.  Scripture was meant to reveal, not conceal.  No one needs a guru or a road map, only Scripture itself. 

Look, I understand what you are saying, but God does indeed declare His written word has mysteries, and the Word of God IS a mystery .. I have said to Christians in the past, "the word of God said so" .. and they have said, "WHO is the Word of God"? .. well if they didn't know that, then HOW on earth can they know WHAT is meant by Word of God?

They can't .. therefore, it IS a mystery to most Christians .. I've seen it a thousand times.

[Serving]

8 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Must be nice to be the ONE who understands proper English and translation.  Wow.

No one needs be SPECIAL to understand English, I resent your smug implications .. no one is "special" in English especially if it is their NATIVE tongue, like yours .. we can both read something like this : And Christ said, "go and say to my brethren, I go to my God and to your God" and understand what is meant .. BUT therese says, "NO, that doesn't say that, it says, God thy God" .. which is EXACTLY what she did .. so are you telling me you are okay with that "method" she is promoting/abusing being a SPEAKER of English yourself?

Why don't you TRY and see the WHOLE meaning instead of pointless one liners which are totally beside the point when taken out of context.

 

 

[MorningGlory]

3 minutes ago, Serving said:

No one needs be SPECIAL to understand English, I resent your smug implications .. no one is "special" in English especially if it is their NATIVE tongue, like yours .. we can both read something like this : And Christ said, "go and say to my brethren, I go to my God and to your God" and understand what is meant .. BUT therese says, "NO, that doesn't say that, it says, God thy God" .. which is EXACTLY what she did .. so are you telling me you are okay with that "method" she is promoting/abusing being a SPEAKER of English yourself?

Why don't you TRY and see the WHOLE meaning instead of pointless one liners which are totally beside the point when taken out of context.

 

 

Why don't you stop speaking to other members here as if you are an apostle or something?  Therese has her opinion; this is not a court of law so she can't 'rest her case'.  It is what it is, get used to it.  Btw, my 'one liners' are far more definitive, you HAD to get all riled, than the run on, run on, overly verbose.

[simplejeff]

Those who try to interpret, or accept man's or demon's interpretation, don't understand because the interpretation for them can change minute to minute, or century to century, or year to year.

God says not to interpret.  That's so simple, they cannot get it.

Just plain read what is written.  God reveals the Truth to those seeking Him; not to others.

Of course, to those who are not disciples of Jesus, it remains a mystery unknown.

 

[MorningGlory]

12 minutes ago, Serving said:

Look, I understand what you are saying, but God does indeed declare His written word has mysteries, and the Word of God IS a mystery .. I have said to Christians in the past, "the word of God said so" .. and they have said, "WHO is the Word of God"? .. well if they didn't know that, then HOW on earth can they know WHAT is meant by Word of God?

They can't .. therefore, it IS a mystery to most Christians .. I've seen it a thousand times.

Do you have the solution to this alleged 'mystery'?  I don't believe God keeps us in the dark.  Nope, not Biblical.

[MorningGlory]

2 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Those who try to interpret, or accept man's or demon's interpretation, don't understand because the interpretation for them can change minute to minute, or century to century, or year to year.

God says not to interpret.  That's so simple, they cannot get it.

Just plain read what is written.  God reveals the Truth to those seeking Him; not to others.

Of course, to those who are not disciples of Jesus, it remains a mystery unknown.

 

Well, I can't believe I'm saying this, but you are correct.  The Bible is understandable to anyone who reads with the Lord as his/her savior.

[Serving]

4 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Why don't you stop speaking to other members here as if you are an apostle or something?  Therese has her opinion; this is not a court of law so she can't 'rest her case'.  It is what it is, get used to it.  Btw, my 'one liners' are far more definitive, you HAD to get all riled, than the run on, run on, overly verbose.

Why don't you say that when others do it against me huh?

What, I am not allowed to answer bluntly when spoken down to but YOU and others are?

HYPOCRITICAL.

[Serving]

20 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Do you have the solution to this alleged 'mystery'?  I don't believe God keeps us in the dark.  Nope, not Biblical.

 

Obviously those who only dabble in the scriptures do not understand all the metaphors etc .. THAT then becomes a MYSTERY to THEM .. now expand on that to one who partially understands and YET the MYSTERIES still remain UNTIL they advance again to the next level of awareness and so on and so forth .. meaning .. all the way along that path many "MYSTERIES" still remain to be worked out, it is not that the written word itself is the MYSTERY, it is the level of commitment of the SEEKER to find out for himself WHAT those mysteries mean .. it takes YEARS of spiritual GROWTH and NOT academic teaching to reach that goal of near full understanding .. so the mystery is only present UNTIL spiritual maturity blossoms .. now you can go and accuse me of saying I am implying that I AM one of those mature ones who can understand, but that is NOT what I am saying .. you'd be missing the whole point once again.

So please stop reading falsities into my character as though I had an ulterior motive..

[Serving]

51 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Why don't you stop speaking to other members here as if you are an apostle or something?  Therese has her opinion; this is not a court of law so she can't 'rest her case'.  It is what it is, get used to it.  Btw, my 'one liners' are far more definitive, you HAD to get all riled, than the run on, run on, overly verbose.

I am not riled, I am tired of double standards.

Why don't you DEFEND the TRUTH instead of attacking me when I DEFEND not only against personal attacks to my integrity but more importantly to the integrity of a simple biblical declaration being abused in word games huh?

TELL me.

YOU speak English, tell me, What does this say :

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Does it say, "God thy God", just being poetic prose, which Therese says it means whilst saying that I AM TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES like I were a bad character of dubious intentions, or is it Jesus explaining WHERE He is going and to tell Mary to give the SAME message to the Apostles so THEY would know WHERE He was going to BEFORE He came to see them?

Please ANSWER.