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[Guest Butero]

9 minutes ago, junobet said:

 

So basically your answer is: gut feeling. The danger here is that many of our gut feelings are utterly human rather than divinely inspired. They hang very much on what we grew up with. See the nudity for example:  you are abhorred by it. But I grew up in a society in which it is utterly normal for people to go to mixed saunas. It’s the kind of innocent nakedness we don’t associate with shame or sexual lust.  

In answer to your questions here are my gut feelings:

If my son liked wearing dresses I’d be slightly worried that he may get bullied. But if he can cope with that and enjoys wearing dresses and sees to it that he’s warm enough, that’s his business.  My love for my children would not depend on their personal fashion choices.  God knows that I’m thankful that my Mum was always rather tolerant of mine.

If a 20 year old desired to marry his mother, I’d recommend seeking out the help of a therapist. There are good genetic reasons to ban incest, but I’d say actual cases are rare and mostly occur when siblings didn’t grow up together.

Necromancy: I don’t believe in the occult.

Polygamy: we cannot serve more than one master and IMHO we cannot fully commit to more than one partner. And I doubt we can become “one flesh” with more than one partner.

Calf in Mother’s milk: I’d feel sorry for the calf, so I’m vegetarian. Which I suppose makes my food pretty much kosher and halal without even bothering.

 

For all: In my experience talking to people and trying to understand their feelings and motives helps when trying to find out how to love them best. Legalism mostly does not. It just appeals to our hardness of heart  (Mt 19:8)

 

About your last passage and the death penalty in general, God’s given us an update: John 8:1-11.

I forgot you were ok with Christians going around in the nude.  I absolutely don't agree with that, so it is little wonder we disagree over what is appropriate dress for men and women.  I am not surprised you are ok with a boy wearing a dress.  If he can go around nude, I can understand that.  I was asking about the sinfulness of a 20 year old boy marrying his widowed Mother, not whether or not it was weird.  Necromancy is not prohibited in the NT, so how can you object? 

If you are having a problem with necromancy, which is only prohibited in the OT, I could call you legalistic. 

The passage in John 8 has nothing to do with capital punishment.  The religious leaders where trying to find a way to accuse Jesus, so they brought someone to him hoping he would either say to stone her in violation of Roman law or not to and then they could accuse him of ignoring the law.  He found a way to handle things where nobody could accuse him. 

[Ezra]

3 minutes ago, Butero said:

But it is specific to Deacons and Bishops only.  The OT prohibited kings from multiplying wives unto themselves as Solomon did, but didn't prohibit the common man from doing so.  It is clearly not a transgression of the law and therefore not a sin. 

1. What may have been acceptable under the Old Covenant is not acceptable under the New Covenant.  Please see the Sermon on the Mount, which reveals the spirit of the Law as Christ sees it.

2. Just as Paul exhorted Christians to be followers of him, as he followed Christ, it should be evident that the church should seek to follow the example of those in spiritual leadership, as they seek to follow Christ.

3. Above all, Christian marriage represents the marriage of Christ to His Wife, the Church. Thus what was applicable to Adam, is not only applicable to each Christian marriage, but ultimately applies to Christ and the Church. Paul calls it " a great Mystery". That in itself is a prohibition against polygamy. A man could not love his wife as Christ loves the Church, and then go out and acquire another dozen wives. 

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.  Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. (Eph 5:31-33).

[Guest Butero]

11 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said:

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Beloved, Does It Say Married?

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. Isaiah 4:1 (King James Version)

What else could it mean?  They obviously are desiring to be married to this man because they have no husband.  What else could take away their reproach but marriage?  I can't even believe anyone is denying the plain meaning here. 

[Guest Butero]

3 minutes ago, Ezra said:

1. What may have been acceptable under the Old Covenant is not acceptable under the New Covenant.  Please see the Sermon on the Mount, which reveals the spirit of the Law as Christ sees it.

2. Just as Paul exhorted Christians to be followers of him, as he followed Christ, it should be evident that the church should seek to follow the example of those in spiritual leadership, as they seek to follow Christ.

3. Above all, Christian marriage represents the marriage of Christ to His Wife, the Church. Thus what was applicable to Adam, is not only applicable to each Christian marriage, but ultimately applies to Christ and the Church. Paul calls it " a great Mystery". That in itself is a prohibition against polygamy. A man could not love his wife as Christ loves the Church, and then go out and acquire another dozen wives. 

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.  Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. (Eph 5:31-33).

 

Don't people call this legalism?  Creating a sin when the Bible never calls something sinful.  The Bible could just as easily prohibited the practice in the New Testament, but it doesn't.  Why not? 

[Guest Butero]

13 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

oh my

 

Is the Jeopardy question, "What comes after lions and tigers and bears?"

[simplejeff]

"As Christ loves the ekklesia((assembly of called out ones))"....

HOW MANY IS THAT ? one ?  just one person got saved?  .....    ((wonderful Scripture!!! ))

1 minute ago, Butero said:

Don't people call this legalism?  Creating a sin when the Bible never calls something sinful.  The Bible could just as easily prohibited the practice in the New Testament, but it doesn't.  Why not? 

 

[FresnoJoe]

41 minutes ago, Butero said:

I would again point out that women in many cases are wearing pants....
made specifically for men and everyone....
is fine with it....

Beloved It Is Clear To Me

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28

Some Make Up Laws

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

And Beat

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 3:3-4

Folk

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31

Love, Your Brother Joe

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PS: Beloved
If Pants So Offend You
That Your Main Focus Is Not On The Grace Of The LORD Jesus
Then Don't Eyeball The Girls With Their Fashions
And Just Forget Pants
Wear Kilts

Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:4-8

 

[Guest Butero]

4 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said:

Beloved It Is Clear To Me

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:28

Some Make Up Laws

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

And Beat

Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1 Peter 3:3-4

Folk

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:31

Love, Your Brother Joe

~

PS: Beloved
If Pints So Offend You
That Your Main Focus Is Not On The Grace Of The LORD Jesus
Then Don't Eyeball The Girls With Their Fashions
And Just Forget Pants
Wear Kilts

Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:4-8

 

You have no answers to the things I post.  You just counter with stuff like this with no substance.  Why would I take it serious?  You can't defend women wearing men's pants.  You can't defend the hypocrisy so you just ignore it. 

[junobet]

27 minutes ago, Butero said:

I forgot you were ok with Christians going around in the nude.  I absolutely don't agree with that, so it is little wonder we disagree over what is appropriate dress for men and women.  I am not surprised you are ok with a boy wearing a dress.  If he can go around nude, I can understand that.  I was asking about the sinfulness of a 20 year old boy marrying his widowed Mother, not whether or not it was weird.  Necromancy is not prohibited in the NT, so how can you object? 

If you are having a problem with necromancy, which is only prohibited in the OT, I could call you legalistic. 

The passage in John 8 has nothing to do with capital punishment.  The religious leaders where trying to find a way to accuse Jesus, so they brought someone to him hoping he would either say to stone her in violation of Roman law or not to and then they could accuse him of ignoring the law.  He found a way to handle things where nobody could accuse him. 

Yes, it’s no wonder that we disagree: we are from completely different cultural backgrounds. And I’m sure the sermons I hear in my Church are very different from those you hear in yours. Yet we are both Christians referring back to the same Bible. So maybe we should look for what makes us Christian in our commonalities rather than in what seperates us. The Nicene Creed may be a start.

 Concerning necromancy you misunderstood what I meant:

 Not believing in necromancy isn’t the same as wanting to burn people on the stake for witchcraft. Quite the contrary: The latter supposes you believe that there are real witches, and I don’t believe that. The reason that I’d oppose my children playing with Quja-Boards etc. is that I wouldn’t want them to take psychological harm in mindgames their impressionable little minds aren’t equipped for. I would not fear for a second that a real ghost might show up.

Concerning the stoning the adulteress you’ve taken me by surprise. So you believe all this was just about Jesus playing cunning tricks to escape punishment, rather than Him conveying truth? I suppose you must think the same about the double-commandment of love then. What else do you think He didn’t really mean?

[Guest Butero]

7 minutes ago, junobet said:

 

Yes, it’s no wonder that we disagree: we are from completely different cultural backgrounds. And I’m sure the sermons I hear in my Church are very different from those you hear in yours. Yet we are both Christians referring back to the same Bible. So maybe we should look for what makes us Christian in our commonalities rather than in what seperates us. The Nicene Creed may be a start.

 Concerning necromancy you misunderstood what I meant:

 Not believing in necromancy isn’t the same as wanting to burn people on the stake for witchcraft. Quite the contrary: The latter supposes you believe that there are real witches, and I don’t believe that. The reason that I’d oppose my children playing with Quja-Boards etc. is that I wouldn’t want them to take psychological harm in mindgames their impressionable little minds aren’t equipped for. I would not fear for a second that a real ghost might show up.

Concerning the stoning the adulteress you’ve taken me by surprise. So you believe all this was just about Jesus playing cunning tricks to escape punishment, rather than Him conveying truth? I suppose you must think the same about the double-commandment of love then. What else do you think He didn’t really mean?

He had the wisdom to know how to handle the situation.  The double commandment of love simply means that if we love God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourself, we will fulfil the whole law as all the laws fall into those two categories.