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[thereselittleflower]

5 minutes ago, hmbld said:

You believe communism would work if the leaders met a criteria?  From what I've seen, some people will work overtime because they love their job, but many others will only work hard enough to get their basics paid for, so to expect someone to work hard for others to take it away does not seem like a workable system.  People might be inclined to give, but few agree with things being taken away from them.  

 

If the leaders are truly following God then they will execute righteous laws and judgment.

The form of government is not really the issue.   The leaders are.

 

[hmbld]

3 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

If the leaders are truly following God then they will execute righteous laws and judgment.

The form of government is not really the issue.   The leaders are.

 

So communism as a theory would work, only you could never get a righteous leader?

I think communism fails due to people (the majority of people anyway) lose all motivation when the gain is taken away.  

 

[thereselittleflower]

12 minutes ago, hmbld said:

So communism as a theory would work, only you could never get a righteous leader?

I think communism fails due to people (the majority of people anyway) lose all motivation when the gain is taken away.  

 

I think if the motivations were to serve God, then everyone would be motivated to have all things in common just as the original christians were, and would be motivated towards the good of their neighbor rather than themselves.

 

[ayin jade]

My husband works hard at his job. He loves it. But if he were to make the same as someone who puts in only 8-5 hours, sits in a chair, and has relatively low stress in the job, with every weekend off and more family time ... he would change jobs in a heartbeat. Thats what communism or socialism would cause to happen to society.

[thereselittleflower]

1 minute ago, ayin jade said:

My husband works hard at his job. He loves it. But if he were to make the same as someone who puts in only 8-5 hours, sits in a chair, and has relatively low stress in the job, with every weekend off and more family time ... he would change jobs in a heartbeat. Thats what communism or socialism would cause to happen to society.

Well, when people are seeking their own good rather than the good of others, then yes, it would be difficult to tolerate.

If we could have a society like that of the early church when all had things in common, and all sought the good of the other, which is what agape love is all about, then such a system would work.

 

[hmbld]

1 minute ago, ayin jade said:

My husband works hard at his job. He loves it. But if he were to make the same as someone who puts in only 8-5 hours, sits in a chair, and has relatively low stress in the job, with every weekend off and more family time ... he would change jobs in a heartbeat. Thats what communism or socialism would cause to happen to society.

Exactly!  Even if everyone was a christian, motivated to serve God, well, who doesn't want things a little easier?

[thereselittleflower]

5 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Exactly!  Even if everyone was a christian, motivated to serve God, well, who doesn't want things a little easier?

I suggest you ask the first christians who shared all things in common. 

Seems to me we have lost something along the way . . . 

[hmbld]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Well, when people are seeking their own good rather than the good of others, then yes, it would be difficult to tolerate.

If we could have a society like that of the early church when all had things in common, and all sought the good of the other, which is what agape love is all about, then such a system would work.

 

And yet, Christians attend church, where they should know to show love and seek the good of the other, yet even Christians are not perfect, may at times be selfish, and even churches fall apart.  And they only have to get along one or two days a week!  I don't see this system working.  Even in church, I see marriages, of professing to be christians, who should be able to seek the good of each other, in this case we are talking about a very small group (2 people!), just walked away from.  Now try to get a whole society to work towards everyone else's good and what do you get?

[ayin jade]

12 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Well, when people are seeking their own good rather than the good of others, then yes, it would be difficult to tolerate.

If we could have a society like that of the early church when all had things in common, and all sought the good of the other, which is what agape love is all about, then such a system would work.

 

That will never happen. Ever. It didnt work for the early church. It wont work today. Especially today. Far too many unsaved folks.

[thereselittleflower]

3 minutes ago, hmbld said:

And yet, Christians attend church, where they should know to show love and seek the good of the other, yet even Christians are not perfect, may at times be selfish, and even churches fall apart.  And they only have to get along one or two days a week!  I don't see this system working.  Even in church, I see marriages, of professing to be christians, who should be able to seek the good of each other, in this case we are talking about a very small group (2 people!), just walked away from.  Now try to get a whole society to work towards everyone else's good and what do you get?

That's why it can't work now.

But that doesn't mean it could never theoretically work.

It would depend on christians if it worked or not.