If life is in the blood, does God allow blood transfusions ?

[simplejeff]

YES!  ENJOY LIFE ! 

8 minutes ago, Cletus said:

believe there is more to blood than we know

You'd be AMAZED,  totally AWESTRUCK,  if you knew what a few simple BLOOD TESTS can show  ! ((NOT! dna, ick , etc...))

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, Cletus said:

Gen 4:10  And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Curiosity:  ((treasure hunt? )): unexpectedly found this tidbit, a rare Jewish Mishna reportedly:

haven't been able((time-wise or otherwise)) to verify it : i.e. "... bloods.... "  below...

" It will be found that Religion has shed more blood, and produced more sorrow and crying than all the wars and desolations caused by the 

politics and dynasties of the world put together. There have been, and still are, the wars of Creeds, as well as of Races. 

    There is more in the ... than appears on the surface. The words of the Lord to Cain are full of significance: "What 

hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's bloods crieth unto me from 

the ground." We must need explain this plural, "bloods." "

[Esther4:14]

After years of witnessing many, many people get transfusions and witnessing the stressful process, I do not believe there is so much wrong with getting a transfusion.  However, it would be nice if there were an easier way then the mildly invasive process of blood transfusion that has to be closely monitored for reaction and does not often allow someone to energetically pick up their mat and walk after it all done.  They are still very sick more often than not, with a higher hemoglobin hopefully and a gallon of GoLytly waiting for them so they can go to endoscopy and find out why they need blood.  Then, they sick uncomfortably while nursing staff bothers them every couple hours all night long, and it is sometimes at 4 in the morning when I would recheck blood pressures I would ask Him, how did you heal people?  

Over the years, I think we do not see healing because our faith is hindered by an error in doctrine somewhere because the only difference between now and then is that the disciples heard the words of Christ.  Somehow, I do believe we are affected by what we received through the telephone, so to speak that is preventing the same experience.  

So, blood transfusions are fine I guess, because we don't have a better way.  But, they really are not as great as we sometimes make them sound.  Modern medicine is nothing more than a pacifier really and I think it is okay to say that it would be nicer if if there was more available to heal than yucky blood transfusions.  It really is a yucky process.  More of a trial than a deliverance from sickness.  

[simplejeff]

Who said we don't have a better way ?   For instance, ask Corrie ten Boom  ((figuratively speaking since she has gone on)) , or Smith Wigglesworth ((who also has passed on)),  or other examples of faith the last few hundred years....  IN LINE with ALL Scripture and in Harmony with Jesus' LIFE.   

The disciples still hear Yahweh's Voice/ WORDS/ to live by, in Spirit, 

and even though Peter heard Yahshua in person, 

Yahshua said Peter knew what he knew because the Father revealed it to him from heaven.

Same TODAY.

[Esther4:14]

Hmm, I am not sure they represent alternative examples of healing without blood transfusion.  Did Corrie ten Boom suffer from a GI bleed.  I don't think healing without necessitating s blood transfusion was part of her testimony Jeff. Not that I don't sympathize with what your are saying.  In the hospital, sometimes these testimonies still don't reach the core of the issue, which scripture says Jesus addressed.  So, why can't we?  This also does not mean that I believe is faith healing solely, I believe in faith science I guess you could say; or that He is the great physician who has created order and understanding this order brings healing.  

But, I have just seen the helplessness of sickness for too long to be satisfied telling someone suffering indefinitely about the examples you have cited.  They may help a person persevere for the moment, but they will not heal someone the way He did, and I refuse to believe He does not want to do this today.  It was a primary foundation for helping the church persevere through tribulations-witnessing the healing of someone who was incurably afflicted.  It would hypothetically reverse the apostacy, which may be why whatever is different about now from the Pentecost is oppressed by the Devil.  He is oppressing something that would be able to bring a second Pentecost.  I think this is what the two witnesses learn, which is why Revelation 11 reads like a story of a second Pentecost.  The truth will set is free.

[simplejeff]

Briefly, no , it((healing by faith)) won't and wouldn't reverse the apostasy.  Unbelief still grows greater every day.

Those examples, and many others, were persons 'known' simply for their faith, and overcoming adversity by the word of their testimony of Jesus and the blood of the Lamb Who was Slain for our sin.

[Esther4:14]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

Briefly, no , it((healing by faith)) won't and wouldn't reverse the apostasy.  Unbelief still grows greater every day.

Those examples, and many others, were persons 'known' simply for their faith, and overcoming adversity by the word of their testimony of Jesus and the blood of the Lamb Who was Slain for our sin.

I don't know Jeff, healing made a pretty big impact.  Most of the people were exposed to the message of the Gospel through healing.  

However, this is just a observation that isn't supported by the prophecy.  For whatever reason, the witnesses do not use this same power to heal.  So, it is just an observation of the signifance healing had on spreading the Gospel and a genuine desire for some of my patients who have suffered much to have the same opportunity.  I still get emotional thinking about some of them.  I met a lady once who had to be fed a nutritional fluid intravenously for 2 months because of a accident during a GI surgery.  She was completely alert and orientated.  She could tell me all about her life and she was so pleasant.  Things like that are just hard you know.  I am not doing direct patient care anymore but I will never forget.  I have story after story of one person or the other and just being with them in their suffering   At a certain point, it frustrates me to hear people go on and on about how lucky we are to have "modern healthcare" because they don't always see the real degree of suffering taking place still, even with fancy equipment.  

Anyways, blood transfusions, I don't know if I would want one personally, but I think scripture opposes a lack of faith more than taking a blood transfusion.  It would be nice to move this mountain is all I'm saying.  

 

[Ezra]

12 hours ago, simplejeff said:

Who said we don't have a better way ?  

Simple Jeff,

Living by faith does not necessarily mean rejecting medicine or medical assistance. Even Paul (the man of faith) told Timothy (another man of faith) to take a little wine for his stomach "and thine often infirmities".

So you need to be very careful that you balance truth with truth. Even though Paul had the gift of healing, he could only pray for the healing of Epaphroditus.  And James recommended the prayer of faith because the gift of healing would eventually be withdrawn. There are lessons in all these incidents and statement.

There is absolutely no Scripture to support a rejection of blood transfusions in order to preserve a life.  But if someone has this conviction, they can keep it to themselves, not try to persuade all that this is wrong. The JWs believe in rejecting blood transfusions but they also believe in rejecting the deity of Christ.

[simplejeff]

On March 10, 2016 at 9:21 PM, simplejeff said:

it's probably what would be called a moot point.

similar to "can a Christian live in paraguay" ? or "can a Christian have a lawn mower" ?

i.e. no question really.

(1) Life is in the blood.  ((no "if"'; was never in doubt, not even a little)).

(2) Yes. Yahweh allows blood transfusions. HE may also say no to someone , as HE wishes. ((Authority in a persons life may make the decision)).

On March 10, 2016 at 9:06 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

so  brother jeff, what do you think would be the right answer to this question ? is it one that cannot be answered biblically, or is it ,

beyond what we can assume ?

 for there is another religion that forbids it , and so trying to see where this fits in to what we believe as believers in Christ,

thank you .

Yahweh says directly NOT to study what other religions say.

On March 5, 2016 at 2:29 PM, simplejeff said:

Here's various pertinent Scripture: ((oh, to get actual verses, search biblegateway, CJB for the one word> Torah ))

((from biblegateway dot com))

1. New Testament 
2. Matthew (35)
3. Mark (24)
4. Luke (31)
5. John (13)
6. Acts (22)
7. Romans (46)
8. 1 Corinthians (8)
9. 2 Corinthians (1)
10. Galatians (20)
11. Ephesians (1)
12. Philippians (1)
13. 2 Thessalonians (4)
14. 1 Timothy (3)
15. Titus (3)
16. Hebrews (15)
17. James (8)
18. 1 John (1)

 

On March 5, 2016 at 11:30 AM, simplejeff said:

try ? 

when did Yahweh ever tell Moses to try ?

or Adam ? or Abraham ? or Job? or Lot? or Daniel ? or Peter ? or James ? or John ? or Paul ? or Timothy ?

or Yahshua - did He EVER say "try" ? 

or the local police force , for that matter : did they EVER say "try not to go 110mph in a school zone" ?

I've heard a lot of people say "try" or "can't try" or "why try" or "don't try"

but never Yahweh's WORD,

never Yahshua Messiah Savior.

HE always says clearly what to do.

 

On March 5, 2016 at 0:08 PM, simplejeff said:

Who wants to follow Jesus wherever He goes ? ((including suffering with Him, as required))

Who wants  to do what ABBA FATHER in heaven says to do instead of what satan says to do ? ((no in-between, it's one or the other))

So, who will you follow today  - JESUS? ((positive expectation))

So, who will you obey today - JESUS ? ((again, positive expectation))

Who did the disciples of JESUS follow ? 

Who did the disciples of JESUS obey ? 

OR,  because you might make a mistake, will you give up and follow the devil ?  NO! YAHWEH FORBID!

So, will anyone sin on purpose ? ((as if to get or hope for more grace ))

Will anyone go drive 110mph is a school zone ?

Will anyone follow JESUS, pray often with ABBA, LISTEN TO HIIM, and do as HE SAYS ? ((He speaks clearly and lovingly with His Children))((in Spirit))

Everyone at some point makes a choice.

They may or may not afterwards ever be able to change that choice.((sometime, there's no chance to repent))

Like a little child eagerly waiting to be adopted - choose Yahweh the Creator; the alternative is dreadful.

Like little children SAVED FROM CERTAIN DEATH, 

let us whole-heartedly with JOY and THANKSGIVING serve the Creator 

((did HE ask anything for you to do that you choose not to do ? ))

((are ANY of HIS commandments difficult to keep ???))((no, not after a while with HIM))((and/or for a NEW CREATION))

admittedly, most groups tell their financial support to do whatever they want to do....

they refuse to teach Yahweh's WORD,((when /if they do, often half of their group leaves))

so most people never hear the GOSPEL OF JESUS

 

 

On March 5, 2016 at 1:21 PM, simplejeff said:

Really? All through Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John , ACTS, Ephesians, etc etc etc Revelation

it is written they lived "in union" with Yahshua and much more 

all in obedience to the Father's Will.

And IF/WHEN they sinned, what happened when they disobeyed ? 

a few samples---from biblegateway >>

Hebrews 13:21 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews%2013%3A21

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I pray that God will make you ready to obey him and that you will always be ... do His will, while doing in us the pleasing thing in His sight through Jesus Christ, ...

Philippians 4:8 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Philippians%204%3A8

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Finally, my brothers and sisters, always think about what is true. ... whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is  ...

Colossians 1:10 - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians%201%3A10

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that ye might walk worthy of the Lord, in all pleasing Him, being fruitful in ... live a life that honors the Lord, and you will always please him by doing good deeds.

1 Thessalonians 4 ESV - A Life Pleasing to God - Finally, then ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1...4&version...

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A Life Pleasing to God - Finally, then, brothers, we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you ... us how you ought to walk and to please God, just as you are doing, that you do so more and more. ... together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we willalways be with the Lord. ... Bible Gateway Plus.

 

On March 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM, simplejeff said:

Amen, but don't get drawn into the abomination :

remember Yahshua said "My Words are Spirit, and they ARE LIFE" concerning His body and blood.  The devil introduced defiled practices from cannibalistic pagan practices.....

 

 

[Retrobyter]

23 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Retrobyter, your Hebrew is like a cook who has all the ingredients, but doesn't know how to put them together to make a meal. There is no understanding in your sentences, you are just stringing together concordance definitions. The Hebrew preposition b- means either in or with: the correct translation here is therefore: "But flesh with its soul of its blood you shall not eat." Which merely repeats the concept from Lev. 17:11: "The soul of the flesh is in blood..."

Isaiah says something quite different:

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death...

John 17:11 ...My Father loves Me, because I lay down My soul that I may take it again. 12 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

Jesus did not "lay down his blood," he "lay down his soul." The soul is in the blood, but it is not the blood. Jesus did not take up his blood again, he took up his soul again. That soul is not flesh and is not blood. And air-breathers don't descend to Hell, where there is no air/oxygen to breathe. Souls descend to Hell.

You cannot understand Mysteries of the non-physical worlds using definitions from the physical world.

Shalom, WilliamL.

No, it's YOU who can't understand the simplicity of the Scriptures if you try to project definitions from the physical world into some fictitious, "non-physical world!" That's the whole problem with people thinking that "heaven and earth" is talking about "non-physical and physical!"

THAT'S WRONG!!!!! 

How can I make it any stronger?!?!?! The phrase "heaven and earth" is talking about the "gaseous and the solid/liquid!" IT'S  ALL PHYSICAL!!!!!!!

And, if you're going to quote a verse, GET IT RIGHT!!! It's not "John 17:11," it's John 10:17! I had "fun" trying to find it, and I'm tired tonight! Yeshua` laid down His AIR-BREATHER! That's what "teen psucheen" is! What were His last words?

Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit (Greek: to pneuma mou = "the breath of-me"): and having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Greek: exepneusen = "he-breathed-out/he-expired").
KJV

Without the "breath," the "psuchee" is reduced to a "sooma." Just a lifeless "body." "Souls" don't ascend or descend; they CEASE TO BE until the Resurrection!