a simple(?) question about sabbath

[post]

love fulfills the entire law. 
no argument there, right? 

if we love God, we will not have other gods, we will not speak of Him in vain, and we won't make idols. check. 

if we love our neighbor, we won't do them harm - we won't lie, steal, covet what is theirs, etc. check. 

if we have love, we don't need a law to tell us what is right or wrong to do. we don't need to be told "don't commit adultery" or "usury is a sin" -- because love is faithful to it's lover, and generous towards others. if we love our parents, we will honor and obey them - we don't have to check the law to see if we should or not. 

ok, that 's good, i see . . 

. . but how does love fulfill "honor the sabbath and keep it holy" ? where would we come up with that if we weren't looking for it in a rulebook, but were just walking in love? 
does this point at Christ as the true sabbath, instead of the ritual observance? 

thoughts? thanks. 

[simplejeff]

the heavenly creator , who created all the universes, everything in them, and all life,

wrote a few words in stone.

throughout all of history and more? , he wrote a few words in stone, himself.

later, the same creator, elohim of all creation, 

wrote a few words in people's hearts.

but only a few.

no where in eternity does he ever , no never, contradict himself.

[SINNERSAVED]

if you want the true Sabbath as per Gods commandment , the forth  commandment, says written in stone, then we would see , that it is the seven day or last day of the week, it would be observed, and carried out on Saturday, .....to keep the Sabbath Holy ?4th commd,

 we as believers focus and walk with God every single day , and then you have church of today ,that has church on sunday,?? which is not the correct Sabbath day, and it is  a man made tradition,  but it is what the bible tells us, ? not me , scripture explains this, .Saturday, not sunday , but history past it has been changed by man,

 now, people say , as long as we are going to church even on sunday instead of Saturday, it does not matter, ?? I do not agrre , but that's my own opinion, and belief,

 but scripture says to keep the Sabbath holy,? we do not follow that, ? this is a fact , and truth ! the bible tells us this,

 so why did it become changed and placed on sunday ? in 321 ad it was changed by the powers of st  augustine,i believe his name was, of the roman catholic church, a roman emperor at the time ?

 this is facts and history , and it is told to the catholic members in their books, so it is fact , and part of history,

 this is what I learned , in my research..and the books I read , following the history and events of the church.

 blessings and peace,,,

[other one]

While we do meet on sunday, as did the gentile church, I don't know anyone who considers Sunday the sabbath.  I'll have to check with a couple of Catholics to see if their church be lives that

[Qnts2]

50 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

if you want the true Sabbath as per Gods commandment , the forth  commandment, says written in stone, then we would see , that it is the seven day or last day of the week, it would be observed, and carried out on Saturday, .....to keep the Sabbath Holy ?4th commd,

 we as believers focus and walk with God every single day , and then you have church of today ,that has church on sunday,?? which is not the correct Sabbath day, and it is  a man made tradition,  but it is what the bible tells us, ? not me , scripture explains this, .Saturday, not sunday , but history past it has been changed by man,

 now, people say , as long as we are going to church even on sunday instead of Saturday, it does not matter, ?? I do not agrre , but that's my own opinion, and belief,

 but scripture says to keep the Sabbath holy,? we do not follow that, ? this is a fact , and truth ! the bible tells us this,

 so why did it become changed and placed on sunday ? in 321 ad it was changed by the powers of st  augustine,i believe his name was, of the roman catholic church, a roman emperor at the time ?

 this is facts and history , and it is told to the catholic members in their books, so it is fact , and part of history,

 this is what I learned , in my research..and the books I read , following the history and events of the church.

 blessings and peace,,,

The Sabbath law says that the Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath law does not say to meet to have a service. 

In the days of the Temple, most of the children of Israel lived too far away to travel to the Temple for weekly services, so the children of Israel stayed home on the Sabbath and rested. However, worship did occur in the Temple, 7 days a week. If you happened to be in Jerusalem, any day of the week, you could go to the Temple and worship, Sundays included. 

When the synagogue system was formed, starting during the Babylonian captivity, teachings and worship occurred in the synagogues 7 days a week. The same goes for today with worship in the synagogues 7 days a week.

So, gathering for worship on Sunday is not a man made tradition. There is no law which says worship must occur on the Sabbath. The law says that the Sabbath is a day of rest, and the Sabbath rest is unique for the children of Israel.

There is nothing unbiblical about gathering to worship on Sunday, or Monday, or any other day of the week. It is unbiblical to require that services take place only on the Sabbath, or that services only take place on Sunday.

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, Qnts2 said:

The Sabbath law says that the Sabbath is a day of rest. The Sabbath law does not say to meet to have a service. 

In the days of the Temple, most of the children of Israel lived too far away to travel to the Temple for weekly services, so the children of Israel stayed home on the Sabbath and rested. However, worship did occur in the Temple, 7 days a week. If you happened to be in Jerusalem, any day of the week, you could go to the Temple and worship, Sundays included. 

When the synagogue system was formed, starting during the Babylonian captivity, teachings and worship occurred in the synagogues 7 days a week. The same goes for today with worship in the synagogues 7 days a week.

So, gathering for worship on Sunday is not a man made tradition. There is no law which says worship must occur on the Sabbath. The law says that the Sabbath is a day of rest, and the Sabbath rest is unique for the children of Israel.

There is nothing unbiblical about gathering to worship on Sunday, or Monday, or any other day of the week. It is unbiblical to require that services take place only on the Sabbath, or that services only take place on Sunday.

I do agree with you about Sabbath, for sabatth is  or = rest and if we are worshiping every day that is great , and if they worship on sunday instead of Saturday

,then it goes a little deeper then just a day of worship for in the future there will be a day , called the family rest day , and it will be on sunday, and that means what God has made  a rest for man , not man for the Sabbath ? that's scripture ,

so follow that scripture and vision the up coming MANDATORY SUNDAY LAW, coming soon to a city near you, for this has much impact on what we are doing and thinking today, and where we stand in the word of God and His commandments,

please check this out for your self, for information and research, for the fourth commandment was changed for a reason, for it to be used in the soon future,

 and then going to sunday will make a difference in your walk with God, ? then you will see why it is important to understand scripture , and the beast system ?

 if you do not think so, let us go back to a time when three young men refuse to bow, at the statue at the mandatory time and was thrown into the furnance to burn, for that is a example of what is to come,  it is a  , Warning to us, !!! and we over look this to be nonsense, for we were raised to go to church on sunday ,, do not let anyone deceive you ?

 and another thing ask the seven day Adventist church,, if they have agreed to the powers that they change ,their worship Saturday  as they are know for ? , to sunday worship nation wide ? an agreement has been made, and this is fact and truth , please do research,

 blessings to you and thank you for your response..

[Reinitin]

2 hours ago, post said:

love fulfills the entire law. 
no argument there, right? 

if we love God, we will not have other gods, we will not speak of Him in vain, and we won't make idols. check. 

if we love our neighbor, we won't do them harm - we won't lie, steal, covet what is theirs, etc. check. 

if we have love, we don't need a law to tell us what is right or wrong to do. we don't need to be told "don't commit adultery" or "usury is a sin" -- because love is faithful to it's lover, and generous towards others. if we love our parents, we will honor and obey them - we don't have to check the law to see if we should or not. 

ok, that 's good, i see . . 

. . but how does love fulfill "honor the sabbath and keep it holy" ? where would we come up with that if we weren't looking for it in a rulebook, but were just walking in love? 
does this point at Christ as the true sabbath, instead of the ritual observance? 

thoughts? thanks. 

God made the sabbath for man. Love your neighbor as you love your self. You can rest from your striving one day a week and it is the Lord is who holds your 6 days work together to prosper you. you can enter into His sabbath rest. 

[Retrobyter]

Sabbath, or rather the Shabbat, is the weekly anniversary of the Day of God's Rest at the end of the Creation week. Thus, it was His commandment to rest on the Shabbat LONG before the ten commandments were given!

Genesis 2:1-3
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
KJV

In the ten commandments, the commandment was REITERATED for the children of Israel.

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV

Something, too, that is important for keeping the Shabbat, is to remember that the days of the week began with sundown!

Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
...
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
...
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
...
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
...
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
...
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV

The "evening" begins for the children of Israel at sundown with the sighting of the first three stars. Westerners begin their 24-hour period from midnight, but that practice didn't begin until MUCH later in history! Thus, many Jewish synagogues will have a service on Friday night after sundown, the beginning of the Jewish Shabbat while others may meet on Saturday morning or afternoon. Some will have worship services on BOTH days.

Another interesting fact is that the day is a day of REST! It is not a time when people should travel far distances to "church" nor is it a time when they should work with children's classes, work at singing in the choir, work at counting offerings, or any other type of work that many do in most churches! It was God's gift to mankind to give them a HOLIDAY FROM work!

The reason why the early "church" met upon the first day of the week was to AVOID the Shabbat and PREVENT working on the Shabbat! Carrying their money, valuables, or livestock to their meeting places would have been considered WORK ON THE SHABBAT!

Acts 20:7
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
KJV

1 Corinthians 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
KJV

THAT'S how Sunday worship services got their start! So, it's really okay to have "church" services on Sunday. Just don't blow it by exhausting yourselves with sports, playing too hard at other things, or work of any type on Saturday! THAT'S God's day!

[Qnts2]

10 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

I do agree with you about Sabbath, for sabatth is  or = rest and if we are worshiping every day that is great , and if they worship on sunday instead of Saturday

,then it goes a little deeper then just a day of worship for in the future there will be a day , called the family rest day , and it will be on sunday, and that means what God has made  a rest for man , not man for the Sabbath ? that's scripture ,

so follow that scripture and vision the up coming MANDATORY SUNDAY LAW, coming soon to a city near you, for this has much impact on what we are doing and thinking today, and where we stand in the word of God and His commandments,

please check this out for your self, for information and research, for the fourth commandment was changed for a reason, for it to be used in the soon future,

 and then going to sunday will make a difference in your walk with God, ? then you will see why it is important to understand scripture , and the beast system ?

 if you do not think so, let us go back to a time when three young men refuse to bow, at the statue at the mandatory time and was thrown into the furnance to burn, for that is a example of what is to come,  it is a  , Warning to us, !!! and we over look this to be nonsense, for we were raised to go to church on sunday ,, do not let anyone deceive you ?

 and another thing ask the seven day Adventist church,, if they have agreed to the powers that they change ,their worship Saturday  as they are know for ? , to sunday worship nation wide ? an agreement has been made, and this is fact and truth , please do research,

 blessings to you and thank you for your response..

I'm not sure what you are talking about. We are allowed to worship any day and scripture says the early church gathered daily. Today, a group of people agree to gather on a day for teaching and worship. It doesn't really matter which day or days that the group agrees to gather. Scripture doesn't specify a day to worship but says all days are good for worship.  

The 'beast system' isn't about what day to worship but rather who is worshiped. That is the important difference and not the day. I will gather with believers to worship the Lord any day that everyone chooses but I will not gather with people to worship another god, no matter whether they gather on Saturday, Sunday or Monday. Shadrach, Mishach and Abednigo didn't object to a day, but that they were asked to bow to a pagan god.    

As far as the 'mandatory Sunday law', in times past, in the U.S., there were laws called 'blue laws'. Businesses were not allowed to be open on Sunday. Grocery stores were closed, restaurants were closed, clothing stores were closed, etc, because of the blue laws. People were not forced to worship on Sundays, but everything was forced to close on Sundays. In Jewish neighborhoods, where people did not work or shop on Saturdays, it was an inconvenience to not have stores open on Sundays since no shopping was done on Saturdays since Saturday/Sabbath was a day of rest. Most states allowed Kosher grocery stores to open on Sunday since freedom of religion allowed people to practice their religion.

Having lived through blue laws and observing the Sabbath, it is really not a big deal. It would be a problem if someone tried to force me to worship another god, as I would not do that.  

[Guest]

12 hours ago, other one said:

While we do meet on sunday, as did the gentile church, I don't know anyone who considers Sunday the sabbath.  I'll have to check with a couple of Catholics to see if their church be lives that

The Gentile Church? The Church is neither Jew nor Gentile. Christian assembly was not held on Saturday. We know Paul went to evangelize in the synagogues, on Saturday, not to assemble the body of Christ.