pre trib rapture is fake true or false

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, WilliamL said:

Not everything revealed to the prophets made it into the Bible.

Everything to accomplish this

2 Ti 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
Just curios what exactly do you think were missing? Seeing how what we have is able to perfect our work unto God!
Love, Steven

[WilliamL]

6 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I also agree that being called "the trumpet of God" makes it pretty exclusive.

Then the Lord will appear over them,
And His arrow will go forth like lightning;
And the Lord God will blow the trumpet,
And will march in the storm winds of the south.
The Lord of hosts will defend them.
And they will devour and trample on the sling stones;
And they will drink and be boisterous as with wine;
And they will be filled like a sacrificial basin,
Drenched like the corners of the altar.
And the Lord their God will save them in that day
As the flock of His people;
For they are as the stones of a crown,
Sparkling in His land.  Zechariah 9:14-16

And confirmed:

In that day the Lord will start His threshing from the flowing stream of the Euphrates to the brook of Egypt, and you will be gathered up one by one, O sons of Israel.  It will come about also in that day that a great trumpet will be blown, and those who were perishing in the land of Assyria and who were scattered in the land of Egypt will come and worship the Lord in the holy mountain at Jerusalem.   Isaiah 27:12-13

Clearly the trumpet of God, and clearly at His return, ushering in the Messianic age.  I hold the view that the sounding of the trumpet referenced in these verses is the one Paul was speaking of as the last trumpet, the trumpet of God.

Neither of these verses mention this event as being "the last/eschatos trumpet." As weird as it may sound to you, these events may well come after the last/eschatos trumpet, if that one is in reference to eschatological, rather than chronological, events.

[Esther4:14]

16 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

You cannot properly frame the context of the statement I made no wonder you have so much difficulty with The Word!
So I give you the division from which I was writing about which you totally ignore and jump to some other prideful meaning
I didn't even write   Love, Steven

You have made a declaration and have declared that you have rightly divided the word of God and used this as the basis for presenting your argument.  That is called boasting in the opinion you have of yourself and your understanding of scripture.  

You have done this again by assuming that your argument justifies your self proclaimed demonstration of rightly dividing the word of God, which is boasting again.  

No wonder you are having so much difficulty with the Word.    

[WilliamL]

3 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

8 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Not everything revealed to the prophets made it into the Bible.

Just curios what exactly do you think were missing?

How would I know? From memory, I believe there are one or two non-biblical prophecies in Seder Olam, besides the one from Abraham's time that I mentioned, that is still fairly well-known among the Jews. I agree that we have all the essentials, however.

[WilliamL]

24 minutes ago, Paradigm said:

I'll ask a couple of other questions that are also hints: 

• What kinds of trumpets were blown?
• What were the reasons that trumpets were blown?

So you are Socrates, already??? Why don't you just share your understanding, instead of beating around the bush?

[MorningGlory]

6 hours ago, enoob57 said:

I'm not teaching anything I merely rightly dividing the Word of God... there is a difference between OT saints-friend of the Bridegroom, NT saints- The Bride of Christ
and tribulation saints ... they are all dead in Christ for His sacrifice redeemed all mankind for the blood of bulls and goats could not...

 God says to you to rightly divide the Word I suggest for your own sake to begin to do this!  Love, Steven
 

I agree, Steven, and I'm looking forward to the day when I can do that too. 

[SINNERSAVED]

17 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

How would I know? From memory, I believe there are one or two non-biblical prophecies in Seder Olam, besides the one from Abraham's time that I mentioned, that is still fairly well-known among the Jews. I agree that we have all the essentials, however.

remember no ones should be reading any thing but the bible, or you will get a time, out  William l,

[Paradigm]

49 minutes ago, Esther4:14 said:

You know, I noticed these and used the verse you quoted as my springboard to a post I made yesterday with a comparison between Revelation 16:15

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed."

I do think the timing of the 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 is given in Revelation 16:5.  

However, I would like to consider your questions because I think they are relevant to the discussion we are having about the rapture, but I would actually like to hear what you have to say on them first.  

Cool Esther. I guess we were on the same frequency yesterday. I have another question to consider:

What is the cultural background of Revelation 16:5? 

A lot of these questions have the power to show a particular pattern.

[Last Daze]

27 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

We will know when you start getting the hermeneutic process down when you start making the same sense The Word makes sense of  Love, Steven

Yeah, okay.  Nothing of value here.  Hopefully, your hermeneutical, rightly divided, contextually precise eschatology will guide you when reality shows you something different.  I've no interest in your antagonism so have a great life.

[Last Daze]

38 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Neither of these verses mention this event as being "the last/eschatos trumpet." As weird as it may sound to you, these events may well come after the last/eschatos trumpet, if that one is in reference to eschatological, rather than chronological, events.

I'm open to other scripturally based understandings.