What makes a Teacher of the word? can anyone teach, ?

[simplejeff]

Shalom Reinitin:   A few questions 

Briefly for clarity not evident reading only this one verse : ((maybe in some other posts; didn't see though))

In a big picture sense , Did Jesus Say there are and would be 1,2,3,4, a few, more than a few,  many false ?

In the sense of TIME, WHEN were the false teachers around/ IN the assembly/ 

AND did their number/ overall effect/  INCREASE or DECREASE over time up to the present time ? 

Is the comparison from Scripture and likewise historically of false teachers world wide 

That there are more false teachers than true teachers ?

A LOT MORE ? or just about 'equal' or 'less' anywhere ? 

 

12 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

2 peter 2 :1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.

and finally:  re "swift destruction on themselves" IS TRUE.  But when is it ? ON earth, later , or both ? 

[Reinitin]

lol don't get me making things up..lol I would assume they discredit themselves and ruin their reputation and their life. But, im sure theres a final judgement of God issue for them. They will have to deal with if their fall from the lofty pedestal they create doesn't bring them to a humble position to repent and receive Christ in fullness. See they exalt themselves in their own flesh rather then waiting for Christs fullness and Gods commision., scripture says he who exalts Himself will be cast down (not out?) and he who humbles himself will be lifted up.

[Reinitin]

20 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Shalom Reinitin:   A few questions 

Briefly for clarity not evident reading only this one verse : ((maybe in some other posts; didn't see though))

In a big picture sense , Did Jesus Say there are and would be 1,2,3,4, a few, more than a few,  many false ?

In the sense of TIME, WHEN were the false teachers around/ IN the assembly/ 

AND did their number/ overall effect/  INCREASE or DECREASE over time up to the present time ? 

Is the comparison from Scripture and likewise historically of false teachers world wide 

That there are more false teachers than true teachers ?

A LOT MORE ? or just about 'equal' or 'less' anywhere ? 

 

and finally:  re "swift destruction on themselves" IS TRUE.  But when is it ? ON earth, later , or both ? 

Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, “Antichrist is coming,” even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour.

2 John 1:7

Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Matthew 24:11 [Full Chapter]

Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

This is what the Lord says concerning the prophets who lead my people astray, who proclaim peace when they have food to sink their teeth into but declare war against the one who puts nothing in their mouths.

Matthew 24:24

False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

13 No one undergoing a trial should say, “I am being tempted by God.” For God is not tempted by evil,[e] and He Himself doesn’t tempt anyone.14 But each person is tempted when he is drawn away and enticed by his own evil desires. 15 Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death.

[Reinitin]

2 hours ago, algots said:

Tonto Shudda Drova Honda

oh you mean 

Warning against Regression

6 Therefore, leaving the elementary message about the Messiah, let us go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, faith in God, 2 teaching about ritual washings,[a] laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And we will do this if God permits.

4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit, 5 tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age,6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt. 7 For ground that has drunk the rain that has often fallen on it and that produces vegetation useful to those it is cultivated for receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and will be burned at the end.

9 Even though we are speaking this way, dear friends, in your case we are confident of the better things connected with salvation. 10 For God is not unjust; He will not forget your work and the love[c] you showed for His name when you served the saints—and you continue to serve them.11 Now we want each of you to demonstrate the same diligence for the final realization of your hope, 12 so that you won’t become lazy but will be imitators of those who inherit the promises through faith and perseverance.

[Reinitin]

3 hours ago, algots said:

I thought you believed in backsliding and restoration?

This passage says backsliders cannot come back to the faith...see the word IMPOSSIBLE?

So, those who fall away cannot come back...interesting.

What's going to be interesting is to see how this is handled. How is God's word going to be nullified in light of subjectivity.  Oh, it doesn't really mean impossible in this case, or that case, or because of this reason.

I was just trying to be funny. I'm not good at it:) 

but to answer your question hebrews 6 isn't about back sliding. you have to read hebrews 1-13 for the light bulb to turn on.

[((Michael))]

 

I know what it is about. It wasn't written to Christians per se' but to Hebrew converts.

It was about bringing the Jews up to the point of Salvation and if they reject the invitation and fall back into Judaism that they cannot be brought back up to that point, since they have crucified Jesus afresh.

None of Hebrews is specifically written to gentile Christians...even the 11th Chapter on faith. Those who use the 11th Chapter of Hebrews as a support for the support of their errant "faith" theology only show their ignorance to what Hebrews is really about.

People like to say that passage only applies to the "Jewish converts" who going back to animal sacrifices and doesn't apply to Gentiles.....If it was possible for the Jews to reach a point of no return, it is possible for the Gentiles as well because God is no respecter of person and there is no Jew or Gentile nor slave nor free man in Christ. Apostasy was not something to take lightly or joke about. That passage is a serious passage and one we shouldn't take lightly. That being said, we can't put a limit on the grace and forgiveness of the Almighty, but let's heed that passage which should be on another thread anyhow.

[((Michael))]

 

I was just trying to be funny. I'm not good at it:) 

but to answer your question hebrews 6 isn't about back sliding. you have to read hebrews 1-13 for the light bulb to turn on.

Hebrew 6 is about apostasy, which is addressed all throughout scripture. It's not a passage to take lightly or joke about. In 1 Timothy 4:1, scripture says there will be a great falling away from the faith. That passage applies to all believers, not just the Hebrew believers of that time that were going back to animal sacrifices. Though that passage should be on a different thread.

[((Michael))]

 

I disagree.

Hebrews was written to Jewish converts, because Jesus was the fulfillment of Jewish Theology, not gentile.

And the great falling away does not refer to believers, because elsewhere it says that the deception would be so great that if it were possible that even the elect would be deceived

Matthew 24:24 King James Version (KJV)

²⁴ For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Meaning the elect, Christians, won't be deceived, but the make believers will be and will walk away from the "faith", which they never really had.

 

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁹ They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Those who "fall away" are not saved to begin with thought they think they are.

The same argument is made about Hebrews 10:26. But if you believe Paul wrote Hebrews, you will notice he includes himself in these warnings "If we sin willfully............These passages apply to all believers. If you are taking the stance of once saved always saved, then understand the Jewish believer of that day should have not been worried about losing their salvation either. This really is a topic that I hate, but if we were to discuss we might need to start a new thread.

[RustyAngeL]

 

I don't believe Paul wrote it. I don't believe he didn't either. No one knows who wrote it, but they do know that the author had intricate knowledge of Judaism.

As stated no on really knows who wrote Hebrews but it does have all the ear marks of Paul's teaching, Paul was a Jew also.  To me it doesn't matter it's just a great book of teaching.              

[SINNERSAVED]

just a question,

if we are not sure who wrote the book of Hebrews, and we are not sure who wrote any other books, in the new testament, how do we know it right to follow it, ? if we are not sure it is just a question, ? did the apostles that walk with Jesus write the books, or some, one else , years after, ?

these are question, I have to ask, for I want to know ? thank you